Is anyone here a Clinical Nurse Leader?

  1. Is anyone here a CLN or going to school for CLN? I'm enrolled in school for this MSN program, but not really sure what the starting salary is for this position. The program is so new, so there is very little information available.
    Any info will help. THanks.
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  3. by   sunnyjohn
    Are you in the direct-entry-MSN program that leads to the CNL?

    Do you have prior nursing experience?

    If you are going to be a new grad RN with no nursing experience, you will probably make the same as most new RNs in your area with perhaps the small differential they offer new BSN grads.

    Your degree will REALLY start to pay of when you get two or so years of experience under your belt. You will find moving up easier.

    Yes the CNL is very vague.

    What program are you in? Xaxier?
  4. by   sunnyjohn
    AACN - Clinical Nurse Leader

    Working Paper on The Role of the Clinical Nurse Leader
    AACN - Publications - White Papers
  5. by   traumaRUs
    Are there jobs for these positions? I know myself where I live that unless you are an advanced practice nurse or have the MSN/MBA, you aren't going to get very far.
  6. by   sunnyjohn
    Quote from traumaRUs
    Are there jobs for these positions? I know myself where I live that unless you are an advanced practice nurse or have the MSN/MBA, you aren't going to get very far.
    The answer is both YES and NO.

    There are very, very few jobs that exactly state they want a CNL, though the AACN does have guidlines on how hopsitals can implement them in their clinical ladder. *Sunny grinning, but contrite 'cause she may be a CNL*

    The CNL programs for experienced nurses usually find that their grads get management positions using their past nursing experinece.

    CNL grads in direct-entry programs with no prior nurisng experience usually get hired on as new grad RN's just like everyone else. They move up in with time.

    The goal is to use them as "resources"- a link between the patient, other nurses and the CNS.
  7. by   traumaRUs
    Okay, thanks Sunnyjohn! I'm gathering this is a program you are interested in doing? May I ask how you chose it over an APN?
  8. by   sunnyjohn
    Quote from traumaRUs
    Okay, thanks Sunnyjohn! I'm gathering this is a program you are interested in doing? May I ask how you chose it over an APN?
    I'm not a nurse yet.

    I have gotten into 2 ADN programs, an MN program and a direct-entry MSN program. I have to decide.

    The MN (Master of Nursing, no CNL) and MSN will allow me to get more financial aid. I can't afford school without it. The ADN is cheap but I can't get any aid and I am having to save up at least a year's living expenses.

    I also know I want to get into Nurse education. The MN or MSN with CNL will put me a smidge closer (just having to get a post-MSN education certificate) I just left a director of surgical tech careers position at a local college. I was not the best job, but I realized HEALTH education is the CAT'S MEOW!!!
  9. by   middleageNP
    Quote from sunnyjohn
    Are you in the direct-entry-MSN program that leads to the CNL?

    Do you have prior nursing experience?

    If you are going to be a new grad RN with no nursing experience, you will probably make the same as most new RNs in your area with perhaps the small differential they offer new BSN grads.

    Your degree will REALLY start to pay of when you get two or so years of experience under your belt. You will find moving up easier.

    Yes the CNL is very vague.

    What program are you in? Xaxier?
    Yes I'm going directly from no degree to MSN CLN with no nursing experience. :selfbonk: and I'm scared to death.

    University of South Alabama just began their CNL program this coming spring, so this upcoming accelerated group is the first official guinea pig-ers. I hope the program doesn't kill us. GULP!

    For now, I'm focusing on making it through the BSN program with a decent grade. My goal is to get a CRNA certification, but schools are few and acceptance is very competitive. Meanwhile, CNL sounds interesting. However, I do wonder if it'll pay off.
    Last edit by middleageNP on Nov 28, '06
  10. by   PANurseRN1
    Personally, I'm not a fan of programs that take people with zero experience and graduate them with advanced practice/leadership type degrees.
  11. by   merellis2009
    Hey y'all! I'm a CNL student too and am expecting to graduate December 07. Our instructors told us to expect our starting salaries to be similar to that of a brand new CNS (between 55k and 62k annually). Around us, there are 2 hospitals that are actually in the process of creating roles for our graduates, so for us at least, we will pretty much be assured of a job upon graduation. What schools are you guys attending? When will you all be graduating? How's your journey been so far?
  12. by   Tweety
    We have a CNL that recently graduated from University of Southern Florida in Tampa. It's a new role the hospital created for her in conjunction with the university. She put in a lot of clinical time there, created the job, and then stepped into the role.

    One thing they were hoping is that she could help implement programs that would increase "customer" satisfaction. Unfortunately she had the bad luck of being there when they increased RN to patient and tech to patient ratios and customer service and nurse satisfaction plummetted in response. So her position isn't justified by the numbers in the eyes of some big wigs.

    In this market I think any position has to be financially justified and I'm wondering if there really is going to be a market out there.
  13. by   char2004
    Here is a link to press and journal articles on the Clinical Nurse Leader

    http://www.aacn.nche.edu/CNL/PressReferences.htm

    Here is the link to the spring CNL bulletin.

    http://www.aacn.nche.edu/CNC/pdf/BulletinSpr.pdf

    Also, the CNL Listserve is an excellent networking opportunity. Contact Horacio Oliveira at holiveira@aacn.nche.edu. Request to be added to the listserve and what email address you want messages sent to. Recently there have been discussion on how establishments are implementing the CNL role, salaries, etc.

    Hope this helps some of you. Have a great day!

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