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If you are a nurse, and you drive while you are drunk; the Board of Nursing can suspend your nursing license for good!!! This is hard to believe...but it is true!!!!... Read More

  1. by   piper_for_hire
    Quote from Tweety
    Yep, many BON have defined a minimum standard of morality.
    Sadly - well I guess not sadly - I have read my states nursing laws in detail for a couple of school projects. The phrase "good moral character" shows up a number of times, but what that means is not defined - mainly because it would be nearly impossible to do so. Even if an attempt were to be made it would be as thick as a phone book and wide open for debate.

    It's one thing to put ambiguous wording in your rules or "laws" but it is quite another to punish people based on ambiguity.

    Quote from Tweety
    BTW the 0.08 that most states now use is not a moral judgement. It's based on scientific evidence that a person is too impaired to drive at this level.
    Exactly! A legal judgment is not a moral judgment - although the can coincide.

    -S
  2. by   piper_for_hire
    Quote from Ann RN
    If you want to be what you believe a leader is, take your sarcasm and challange the laws. Offer a solution. Don't just say something is wrong. I wish you the best. But for the time being, you are working under these laws.
    Sorry - wasn't trying to be sarcastic! Really! We just have different point of views on this topic. When I see things that are wrong I wish to point it out and change it and talk about it. I just don't agree with going along with it. You do, as do many, and I respect that opinion. No offense intended - really!

    -S
  3. by   LuvMyGamecocks
    Quote from piper_for_hire
    It's one thing to put ambiguous wording in your rules or "laws" but it is quite another to punish people based on ambiguity.
    Do you really need a law to define word for word what is morally acceptable? You would think common sense would tell you that a professional (in ANY industry) should be held to a standard if they fail to do so themselves. Whether or not "good moral character" is plainly defined anywhere, in any state's nursing laws, is irrelevant.

    The courts CAN determine the morality of someone's actions. Murder, theft, arson...

    Piper, I want to be sure I understand you. 'Cause I'm having a hard time. Do you think the BON should NEVER have the right to revoke your license after multiple DUI's? After the first? After the second? Do you not agree that a nurse (or anyone) with multiple DUI's is a train wreck waiting to happen? Or are you SO caught up in wanting to fight "The Man" that you're willing to deem the lack of responsibility from a healthcare PROFESSIONAL as their right to be irresponsible?
    Last edit by LuvMyGamecocks on Feb 6, '07
  4. by   nuangel1
    i have read this whole thread .but unless the nurse is drunk going to work or at work it is not the BONS business if the nurse gets a dui .the BON only has the right to affect a nursing license if it is nursing related.ie related to the job as a nurse then the pt is at risk.i am not saying getting a DUI is good cuz its not .one should not drink and drive .but to say just because the nurse got a DUI she/he should not be a nurse is assinine.people 1st nurses 2nd.people make mistakes.
  5. by   allantiques4me
    Quote from chuck1234
    If you are a nurse, and you drive while you are drunk; the Board of Nursing can suspend your nursing license for good!!! This is hard to believe...but it is true!!!!
    why would anyone do that anyways?one stupid mistake like that could take someones life!I used to work on a brain injury unit.A lot of those poor souls(most stuck in a vegetave state)and thier families suffered immensely.Most of the cases were related to drinking and driving situations.I absolutely HATE that anyone would be selfish enough to get behind the wheel after drinking.
  6. by   gasguy1960
    Ok, but how about the same for the doctors?
  7. by   bethin
    Quote from TeleRNer

    I think that we as a profession should examine a carte blanche policy such as caught drinking and driving lose your license. We need to consider the circumstances for the person's DUI and not just go about it hastily taking a person's right to practice away from him/her.

    What one does on one's own spare time is his/her business and should not be the business of others to condone or condemn.

    Are we not taught in nursing school to withhold judgement until we consider all the evidence surrounding a patients circumstance? Shouldn't we do the same for our fellow nurse?
    Um, so are you saying it's ok to drive drunk if I have a good excuse? It's okay for me to get a DUI because after all, I had a tough day....but haven't we all. Never seen a judge dismiss a DUI case because the person had a tough day.

    It becomes someone else's business the second I drive impaired. I don't think you'd take too kindly if I killed one of your loved ones because I was drunk.
  8. by   bethin
    Quote from LuvMyGamecocks
    Do you really need a law to define word for word what is morally acceptable? You would think common sense would tell you that a professional (in ANY industry) should be held to a standard if they fail to do so themselves.
    Common sense isn't so common after all.
  9. by   mgalloLPN
    Quote from danh3190
    I don't know...
    What's the point of taking the ability to earn a living away from somebody for something that doesn't necessarily affect their ability to perform their job? I can certainly see it for being intoxicated on the job, diverting drugs, even using drugs (since it's not unreasonable to suspect that they will divert drugs). I could even see losing one's license for drinking a certain number of hours before one's shift (like an airline pilot). All these things directly impact on job performance and patient safety. Of course then we might have to also discipline nurses for not getting enough sleep before their shift or working too many hours in a row (like a trucker). Once we start on that slope anything's possible.

    If it's simply a matter a matter that the nurses should know better, how many nurses smoke? How many are grossly obese? We all do dumb stuff when we should know better.

    You become a nurse to save people, not to kill them by driving drunk. If you drive drunk, there is a pretty good chance that you can and will kill someone. As a nurse, I am sure you take care of many patients that have been affected by a drunk driver in some way. Why would you want to add to the problem?!

    My friend was killed (it will be 4 years on 2-9-07) by a drunk driver when she was only 17. She was on her way home from a school dance and was turning on to her street and was T-Boned on the driver's side by a drunk driver and she died about 5 minutes later. She had absolutely no alcohol in her system what so ever. A priest of the church that she was killed in front of held her hand while she cried and begged him to tell her mom that she loved her. The car hit her so hard that it twisted her seat and broke her back. If I had the picture of her car scanned on to my computer, I would post it. I ask you to please think again if this is something you chose to do. You could be taking a sister, daugther, brother, son, grandchild, and best friend away from someone.

    This is the last picture ever taken of Alicia. She was with her boyfriend before the dance. It was taken only a couple hours before she was killed.

    If you are drunk, don't drive![/IMG]


    This is the billboard her mom had put up for her.

    If you are drunk, don't drive![/IMG]
    Last edit by mgalloLPN on Feb 6, '07
  10. by   Tweety
    Quote from nuangel1
    i have read this whole thread .but unless the nurse is drunk going to work or at work it is not the BONS business if the nurse gets a dui .the BON only has the right to affect a nursing license if it is nursing related.ie related to the job as a nurse then the pt is at risk.i am not saying getting a DUI is good cuz its not .one should not drink and drive .but to say just because the nurse got a DUI she/he should not be a nurse is assinine.people 1st nurses 2nd.people make mistakes.

    That's the way it is here in Florida. If it doesn't affect their job, the BON doesn't get involved.
  11. by   Tweety
    Mindy your friend is beautiful. That's so tragic.

    I wonder if people would say to the one who killed her "it's ok, people make mistakes". Or would they say "off to jail with you for a long time".
  12. by   jimthorp
    Quote from LuvMyGamecocks
    Do you really need a law to define word for word what is morally acceptable?
    Absolutely yes!! The term "moral" is wide open for interpretation and it is very dangerous when incorporated into law unless defined. Just who is it you think should define what is and is not moral? The legislature? The judiciary system? Society? A culture? God? The church?

    Quote from LuvMyGamecocks
    You would think common sense would tell you that a professional (in ANY industry) should be held to a standard if they fail to do so themselves.
    On the job yes, but off the job it is nobody's damn business but my own.
  13. by   Tweety
    Quote from jimthorp
    Absolutely yes!! The term "moral" is wide open for interpretation and it is very dangerous when incorporated into law unless defined. Just who is it you think should define what is and is not moral? The legislature? The judiciary system? Society? A culture? God? The church?



    On the job yes, but off the job it is nobody's damn business but my own.


    Please no, don't let it be the church.

    If a BON thinks driving drunk is their definition of poor moral conduct, then as was stated, we either accept it or we work to change it. As I stated not all BON's feel this way. Some BONs have it specifically defined, such as "DUI", "misdimeaner drug possession", "sexual charges", "any felony", etc.

    I think for the most part their definitions of good moral conduct aren't too shabby or discriminatory.

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