How many nurses here have their license currently suspended?

[Sheba817]

I have been an RN for 5 years. Two years ago, a small hospital in which I was practicing reported to my state BON every mistake I had made during my entire 2 years of employment. This happened AFTER a doctor and myself got into a very heated argument over a pt. I made the mistake of questioning his orders. This doctor is known for his fury! He is NEVER wrong! He reported to the DON the incident and she informed me I should submit to a drug screen for the doctor had stated: "She has errated behavior".

Well, I firmly 'planted my feet' and refused a drug screen unless the doctor also took one. Well, this went over like a 'turd in a punch bowl'. After approx one hour of discussion, I resigned after telling them all how I felt.

My license were placed on 2 year probation and I had to sign an Agreed Order with my state BON. I had NO idea how serious this was. I had no clue r/g an attorney so I signed the agreement.

The probation would have been up in Feb. BUT, I recently went to work for a small nursing home. My job responsibilities were: passing meds to 38 residents, skilled charting, assessing the skilled residents, breathing txments, wound care, and any admissions which came in, take orders off from incoming requests the day-shift nurse had requested, ordering all meds for residents.

I eventually made two med-errors which consisted of a med not given to two residents.I filled out a med error form.I also faxed an order for a resident to our out of state pharmacy and failed to place her name on the order. The pharmacy called almost immediatly for the name inwhich I supplied.

After approx 50 days into this job, the new hires, one of which at been there 6mos, were place in one day orientation. I was fired a few days later for the above incidents. This facility reported this to the board.

What you all need to understand about this night-mare is this: I stupidly signed an Agreed Order with the BON stating I would be PERFECT. You all know as well myself, we as nurses are NOT perfect no more than any one else in this world.

[Sheba817]

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Thank you for your post......You sure do have a very clear mind-set of how so many nurses treat each other. It's sad:( Just think how different it could be if all nurses protected one another.

[Sheba817]

Amen to your statement

[paytonsnana]

We seem to live in a world where "accidents" no longer exist, and what used to be accidental has become "negligent", "incompetetence", etc. Our society must place "blame" and have "retaliation" for anything and everything! It is not just in Nursing ... it is everywhere.

A child is injured playing with a toy, the manufacturer gets sued. People smoke cigarettes, the tobaco company is sued. There is an automobile accident, someone in it gets sued. A parent's child is injured playing, the parent is accused by authorities of neglect. It is really a SICK society. The human attitude has to change before blaming and retaliation for our being "wronged" will stop. We are off the deep end and caught up in a viscous circle of blame and blaming! We can't blame all misfortunes in life on someone or something else and then expect to be compensated by getting financial or emotional satisfaction through blame, vindication, and bringing harm to someone or something else

Accidents do happen and blaming and retaliation does not make accidents and mistakes stop.

People love to sue. Someone dies and the family can't wait to blame someone and file a law suit! A mistake is made on the job and there is always a peer waiting to jump on it and put their fellow worker down in order to make themselves look good. Unfortunately we live in a mean world full of evil doers, and self rightous egotists. It isn't a pleasant realization but it is a fact in today's world. These things won't change until we change.

:idea:"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." My, my... wouldn't it be a different world if everyone would just remember and practice those two little sentences!?

:balloons: :balloons:

Unfortunately some people think that the Great American dream is a big lawsuit.

What happened to taking responsibility for your actions? Lawsuit crazed people do not realize that they are the reason prices are higher and insurance is not within reach because of frivilious claims.

When I moved from another state my malpractice insurance tripled and the coverage was cut to one tenth of what it had been. When I asked the insurance company why, their response was" you now live in a state (tx) that has one of the highest rate of malpractice lawsuits.":angryfire

[paytonsnana]

as if errors were not enough, do you know the other things that a board could come after you for? if i told you, if i presented legal documents, you would not believe me. . . just don't piss off your manager, administrator, or other nurses and you might be ok.

yes, i want to know exactly what reasons bon can come after you. can you please tell me because i'm dying to know. thanks

if you sneeze and someone sees you and you didn't go immdeiatly and scrub your hands, if you look at a co-worker the wrong way, if you dare question your manager, co-worker, patient, you name it, you can be called before the board.

any one can report you for anything and you have to defend yourself. i have a friend that followed a written order that was signed by the dr to the "t" and the dr came in in a foul mood and yelled at everyone and said the other nurse did not follow orders, that he did not write the order, eventhough it had his very distinctive signature, and she almost lost her license. it cost her $10,000.00 to defend herself. she is now on probation with the bon for 2 years and had to take about 4 classed that cost $150.00 each, not to mention that the only bon approved classes were 300 miles from her home.

just be glad a bon cannot come after us for what we write here!!!!!:uhoh21:

[paytonsnana]

so how do we stop the railroading

It will stop when H --l freezes. And I am not talking about the town I mean the actual place. It is nice to know we do have a place to come and vent without retallation form any BON. Not yet at least.

To all of those that cause trouble

MAY THE FLEAS OF A THOUSAND CAMELS BUILD NEST IN YOUR ARM PITS

AND MAY YOUR ARMS BE TOO SHORT TO SCRATCH

[BETSRN]

I had a friend who was involved in a major med error (the pt. coded and did make it but had adverse consequences long after the error) and they wanted her to be drug screened about an hour after it happened. She refused, and now she is going to have to go in front of the board. I think a big reason why the board is after her is because she refused that drug screen. Just some food for thought.

It would seem to me that if the nurse (or anyone in question) has nothing to hide, she/he should just do the drug screen. What's the big deal. Refusal to do so immediately sends up a red flag. If any of us had a patient refuse a drug screen we would ommediately be suspect, right?

I don't know about the BON stuff, but the other pafrt is just common sense. We are in a helping (and very visible) profession. We are supposed to keep our noses clean. Why anyone would refuse a drug screen (expecially if they ahve nothing to hide) is way beyone me. Seems lke there muct be more to this story than is reported here. :uhoh21:

[BETSRN]

If you sneeze and someone sees you and you didn't go immdeiatly and scrub your hands, if you look at a co-worker the wrong way, if you dare question your manager, co-worker, patient, you name it, you can be called before the board.

Any one can report you for anything and you have to defend yourself. I have a friend that followed a written order that was signed by the DR to the "T" and the DR came in in a foul mood and yelled at everyone and said the other nurse did not follow orders, that he did not write the order, eventhough it had his very distinctive signature, and she almost lost her license. It cost her $10,000.00 to defend herself. She is now on probation with the BON for 2 years and had to take about 4 classed that cost $150.00 each, not to mention that the only BON approved classes were 300 miles from her home.

Just be glad a BON cannot come after us for what we write here!!!!!:uhoh21:

I am in my 20th year of nursing and I ahve NEVER heard anone refer anything to a BON.

[BETSRN]

VICKY

Would you mind giving some general areas where it would be best to consider as high risk areas to be working within a hospital? I am green as grass, and would really appreciate your input on this!

ANY critical care area: L&D, ICU, IMCU, CCU, OR, med-surg...........most areas are critical in one way or another.

[BETSRN]

I totally agree with you on that one. (pilots, doctors ,nurses) Sometimes however..... by reading some of these stories, there just doesn't seem to be a justifiable basis to order someone to take a UDS...or too many petty reasons.

I know if I was ordered to take more than my share of UDS's I'd be upset. Especially if just a co worker has the power to rise suspicion in me. I'm trying to make sense here but the words aren't coming out right.

For example..a drug goes mising...test everyone..ok.

A co worker I KNOW has it out for me ....spread rumors and as a result I'm tested all the time ...not good.

I need an aspirin. I can't even spell.

If you have this problem with a co-worker, then you need to go to your manager (or above her if need be) ,discuss the situation and have the manager bring BOTH of you together to discuss this. This is ridiculous. You are two adults and this should be handled in an adult manner. YOU need to take responsibility for YOUR actions and get this resolved.

[Malt123]

It will stop when H --l freezes. And I am not talking about the town I mean the actual place. It is nice to know we do have a place to come and vent without retallation form any BON. Not yet at least.

To all of those that cause trouble

MAY THE FLEAS OF A THOUSAND CAMELS BUILD NEST IN YOUR ARM PITS

AND MAY YOUR ARMS BE TOO SHORT TO SCRATCH

now this made me smile

I got written up by a social worker because I put a cough drop in my mouth in the dinning room, can't call off when your ill,can't cough, can't put a cough drop in your mouth. is this not totally off the wall.

I once had vomiting and diarrhea for 2 solid days, and the 3rd day I was able to start keeping liquids and crackers down. got the bug from place of employment but got written up because I as an RN didn't go to a doc to have them tell me that I had the flu. one nurse actually went to work with this diarrhea that was going around because she was afraid to call off. lets just spread it around a bit.

[mattsmom81]

I am in my 20th year of nursing and I ahve NEVER heard anone refer anything to a BON.

I'm in Texas and this happens frequently altho there are some who don't want to admit it.(these are the nurses in rose colored glassesor are secretly happy someone is getting the shaft...until its them that is) There are not many my age in this area who don't know what goes on, even if they whisper under their breath about it, a great % of us now know one or more good nurses who've been railroaded, simply because someone had it in for them, or a facility needed a scapegoat..

Congrats to you... you may work in a very fair area/facility. OR maybe nurses don't talk amongst themselves . Does your BON publish a list of nurses who's licenses are yanked? Do you just assume these are all 'bad nurses?' You might be surprised.

[Malt123]

when I first came to this state I couldn't believe what they were suspending licenses for. some were for real serious stuff but a lot was for things that were simply caused by poor management. when a DON or supervisor uses their power foolishly and people are getting hurt then it is time to call them up and make them defend their actions time and time again. after awhile it just might sink in as to what they were doing. a good DON should be able to tell the difference from an incompetent nurse and one that is being railroaded or a nurse that is being setup to make mistakes. I honestly believe that a good facility would want to have their nurses do well instead of making it 100x harder then writing them up or worse reporting them to the BON.