Hippaa Violation!!!!!!

  1. 0 You admit a pt. The pt is admitted to a semi-private room with a roommate. You start your admission assessment and questioning. You use a generic admissions questionaire that the facility requires you fill out. Even though you are as quiet as possible, the roommate over hears your conversation. Then, the new admission states that his/her HIPPAA rights have been violated and he/she is embarrassed.

    Is this truly a HIPPAA violation? And if so, how do you avoid this if you have semi-private rooms. I read somewhere about "incidentals." Any help would be appreciated.
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  3. Visit  mamason profile page

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    mamason has '5' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'cardiac'. From 'southern illinois'; Joined Sep '06; Posts: 574; Likes: 217.

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  4. Visit  Virgo_RN profile page
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    Double rooms really do present a privacy problem. I'm amazed that hospitals still get away with it.

    All you can do is your best. Close the privacy curtain, have the roomie turn up the volume on their TV speakers, speak in a low voice, etc. If the roomie is ambulatory, you can ask them to wait in the family room for a few minutes, or go for a walk.
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  5. Visit  Ruby Vee profile page
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    with double rooms, there's not much you can do. do your best to keep your voice low -- impossible when the patient you're talking to is hoh. hipaa makes exceptions in these cases . . . the patient can't claim his rights are being violated if you've done your best!
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  6. Visit  jjjoy profile page
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    HIPAA does allow for 'incidental' overhearing of patient information if reasonable measures are taken. In the case of a shared room, it is unreasonable to ask either patient to step outside so the other won't overhear. As long as you're not shouting the questions from the doorway, you are being reasonable. If the patient or patient issue is particularly sensitive, then you might want to take extra measures to ensure the roommate doesn't overhear; but in most cases, it shouldn't be a problem.
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  7. Visit  blondy2061h profile page
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    I, too, am amazed double rooms are still allowable. Rather barbaric.
  8. Visit  jstbreathe profile page
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    I completely understand the situation. As an RT we have voice pagers. So I get called to "Mr Jones" room stat all the time. (Usually when I am at another pts bedside)
    Once I got a call..."Mr Jones in 323, that had a CABG is now SOB and would like a albuterol tx, again thats jones in 323."
    I am the Hippa Queen....so this drives me nuts!!!
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  9. Visit  mzloco profile page
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    Im no Hipaa guru but I think your covered. as long as you did the obvious. close curtians etc.... If you read the hppa law it simply states by signing the agreement that you allow the institutuion to release your info to third parties that are entitled to it.....
  10. Visit  jjjoy profile page
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    Right, the main impetus for HIPAA was to put legal protections in place in regard to electronic data retrieval and transmission. With hard copy medical records, you had to physically have access to the file to see the information within or have authorization for someone to copy specific paages and send them to you. Access to the physical medium of the chart was limited.

    But with electronic medical record systems, it's much easier to access information that you have no reason to be seeing. People can possibly access patient records from any physical location as long as there's a computer connection.

    So HIPAA is a law that defines private health information as something that shouldn't be shared or accessed without patient authorization.
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  11. Visit  Ruby Vee profile page
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    Quote from blondy2061h
    i, too, am amazed double rooms are still allowable. rather barbaric.
    a hospital wing or building is an enormous investment. most hospitals cannot afford to just tear down or do massive reconstruction on a building just to create all private rooms.
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  12. Visit  blondy2061h profile page
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    Quote from ruby vee
    a hospital wing or building is an enormous investment. most hospitals cannot afford to just tear down or do massive reconstruction on a building just to create all private rooms.
    obviously. but think about the infection risk, the lack of rest (your room mate has the tv blaring all night and there's nothing you can do about it), and the privacy issue. it really is rather backwards and inappropriate.

    i was in the hospital last year with a stomach flu and was having constant diarrhea. i both my room mates and i were on i&os, so every time i went in the bathroom i had to lift her urine-filled hat out and put my own in. it was nasty, and the aids and nurses never seemed to be around to do it. probably because the hospital is infamous for poor staffing. then i kept having diarrhea and my poor room mate had to use the toilet i just had huge amounts of diarrhea into. it's disgusting.

    then imagine having someone just a curtain away while you're having a foley put in. how was that make you feel?

    even if you just had a regular outpatient physical being done, how would you feel if someone else was in the room with you?

    i know it's a huge cost to change things, but i really can't believe we consider this acceptable.
  13. Visit  ilstu99 profile page
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    Quote from mamason
    You admit a pt. The pt is admitted to a semi-private room with a roommate. You start your admission assessment and questioning. You use a generic admissions questionaire that the facility requires you fill out. Even though you are as quiet as possible, the roommate over hears your conversation. Then, the new admission states that his/her HIPPAA rights have been violated and he/she is embarrassed.

    Is this truly a HIPPAA violation? And if so, how do you avoid this if you have semi-private rooms. I read somewhere about "incidentals." Any help would be appreciated.
    No, it's not. Many people misunderstand the intention and use of HIPPA. You can just politely explain that HIPPA does not apply to semi-private rooms.

    On another note, I don't find semi-private rooms to be "barbaric" at all. Sensory deprivation is a very real thing, and semi-private rooms can help to ease some of that. I spent 5 days in a private room, and by day 3 I thought I would go nuts. If you aren't needy and don't have a lot of visitors, you spend hours and hours staring at the TV. It sucks. Also, I've met some people who made very real, lifelong friends during their hospital stays....and many of our elderly patients request to NOT be in a private room. Just another perspective.
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  14. Visit  Eirene profile page
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    Our entire hospital has private rooms. I love it!
  15. Visit  Ruby Vee profile page
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    Quote from blondy2061h
    obviously. but think about the infection risk, the lack of rest (your room mate has the tv blaring all night and there's nothing you can do about it), and the privacy issue. it really is rather backwards and inappropriate.

    i was in the hospital last year with a stomach flu and was having constant diarrhea. i both my room mates and i were on i&os, so every time i went in the bathroom i had to lift her urine-filled hat out and put my own in. it was nasty, and the aids and nurses never seemed to be around to do it. probably because the hospital is infamous for poor staffing. then i kept having diarrhea and my poor room mate had to use the toilet i just had huge amounts of diarrhea into. it's disgusting.

    then imagine having someone just a curtain away while you're having a foley put in. how was that make you feel?

    even if you just had a regular outpatient physical being done, how would you feel if someone else was in the room with you?

    i know it's a huge cost to change things, but i really can't believe we consider this acceptable.
    [font="comic sans ms"]i've been a patient in a double room and have horror stories to match yours -- and i've experienced the curtain being whisked aside just as my nurse is putting in my foley. i know how it feels. on the other hand, you clearly have no idea how much it would cost to just find double rooms unacceptable. and double rooms are an enormous improvement upon the wards we used to have. health care costs are already spiralling out of control. as uncomfortable as a double room can be, i'd much prefer that to a 16 bed ward with no tv, no telephone and no bathroom at all.

    as new hospitals and new wings are being built, the more affluent ones will start phasing out the double rooms. but that process is a long time in coming. in the meantime, we'll all just have to suck it up and deal with the double rooms.
    Last edit by Ruby Vee on Sep 20, '08 : Reason: Spelling


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