Dog and Pony Show --A Nursing School Rant!!

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incomplete...i can deal with having an "i" on my transcript ---until the "incredible disappearing hesi scores" can be located. i know that i passed with or without that grade. i was prepared for that to happen.....but i was not prepared for what happened next...i got home yesterday from a wonderful family get-together, i opened the letter and carefully read---it appears that you did not complete any of the courses you were registered for during the fall 2006 semester---yadda yadda--- the policies of department of education and x-community college states that an "i" is considered an "f" failure---(what the heck) --- and because you failed you are not eligible to receive any financial aid (grants,or loans)so we have cancelled your financial aid for the spring semester!!!

okay so this is the deal -- school is closed--until january 3rd --tuition is due january 4th --no financial aid means i cannot register --cannot pay tuition-- and the last time i checked it was impossible to pull money out of my a$$.

why didn't someone in the nursing department contact someone-anyone in financial aid and tell them -students x,y and z --did not fail - they are receiving incompletes because, the stupid hesi test that we require them to pay for and take every semester has "lost" there scores--so we cannot complete their grades --but they still passed --do not cancel their financial aid!!!?? this would have been sooooo very simple. but not at x-community college --nothing is simple, its like a dog and pony show -- and dang-it i am tired of jumping through the flaming hoops.

this school is the most unprofessional, inconsiderate institution i have ever dealt with. if we "the nursing students" were at a clincal facility and acted in the manner that the school does toward us --we would be kicked out of the program soooo fast! :nono: why are the students held to a higher standard than the college itself is??

i have to keep thinking ---only 4 more months--only 4 more months --but at the rate things are going now--it will be much longer than that---because i have no money to pay tuition !!

and i guess the thing that really burned my buns was "incomplete" is considered "failure" ---i did not fail nor did i fail to complete anything --the school failed to retreive my grades from hesi who failed to generate the scores!!!devious.gif

thanks for listening!

So when you took the HESI, your grade page didn't pop up at the end? When we took our HESI exam(s) (2), each time the grade popped up at the end and we printed off two copies. One for the school, one for us to keep. Are you saying there was no way to print your results?

Did that letter come from your financial aid office at school or from the Student Loan People themselves?

Oh yes the raw scores did pop up at the end of the test...and the option to print the scores was available. HOWEVER, we are forbidden to print it off on school printers- "this is considered personal use". Plus the school will not put printing cartridges in the printers -- so it doesnt even help if you offer to bring your own paper. We actually fill out a form after our Hesi with the raw score on it --- but the school depends on Hesi for the conversion. Now get this--we are allowed one sheet of paper during the test in case we have a calculation problem--ok so when I was finished with the test - filled out my raw form sheet - I begin to review the missed questions -- I write down my raw and conversion scores on that paper --The test moderator would not allow me to leave with my sheet of paper and the only thing written on it was my score. Absolutely nothing else -- what information could someone get from that sheet of paper?? Nothing except study your butt off --cause hesi whooped girlfriends hiney!

About the letter: it came from financial aid department.

About contacting someone: I did call the provost-dean of instruction of the nursing department. I told her who I was and said sooo sorry to call you during the holidays however I am very upset by the letter I received. Basically told her what the letter said cutting through all the fluff crap--she said matter-of-fact --"I dont know anything about financial aid. You recieved an incomplete because we could not get your hesi score. I dont know what else to tell you." [EVIL][/EVIL] I said I understand the problem with hesi -- what I am telling you is the school reopens on the 3rd -- the absolute last day to pay tuition 4th. Without financial aid I have no money to pay tuition. She very sounding very indifferent and cold --"like I said I dont know what else to tell you" ---I so wanted to say --well Merry Dang Christmas to you too along with a few other things. :trout: But I just said well ok --- well thank you for your concern and hung up the phone!

I would have been nice to have a little bit of reassurance-- but no concern at all. Just irritated that I would disturb her at home.

I could just go on and on about the crap my class has had to deal with since Fall 05 -- but I have tried to suck it up -- move on -- and realize life is not perfect- people are not perfect -- and go with the flow! BUT NOW THIS IS THE LAST STRAW -- I AM FURIOUS--!!!:icon_evil:

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If contacting the dean, your adivsor, the registrar.... doesn't work, try the local news station. When our students had a problem with the book store and financial aid the news truck showed up and "SHAZAM" there wasn't a problem any more!

You should be burning mad! Have you called other students in your program to see how they are handeling this. If they failed you I presume many others have been failed as well. I tis crazy that someone can do shoddy work, leave for the holiday & you are the one having to take the brunt of this over the holidays.

Sorry, but what is HESI?

You should be burning mad! Have you called other students in your program to see how they are handeling this. If they failed you I presume many others have been failed as well. I tis crazy that someone can do shoddy work, leave for the holiday & you are the one having to take the brunt of this over the holidays.

I spoke with a classmate (she does-work study at the school and is in the same position as me). I thought because technically she works for the school she might have some insight. According to her only 12 students received incompletes because of missing hesi scores. I dont know if any of the other 10 students receive loans/grants etc.

Sorry, but what is HESI?

HESI'S OWN DEFINITION: HESI is the Health Education Systems Incorporated standardized test that Students take at the end of each course in preparation for the Licensing Exam.

MY DEFINITION: really hard test(s), costs lots of money and you get less than adequate service.

If the school doesn't work this out in time to get you into class they have a problem. Getting the scores from the course together and coming up with a final grade by the due date is the schools responsiblity. I think if you review your schools policies it will say something about when the final grades are due. Not having this is a breach of contract on their part.

I can see multiple ways that this breach can cause damage to you, all of which the school will be legally responsible for. If they don't get it worked out in time for you to start I would contact an attorney.

I would send a few emails out and then relax. The mistake is not yours and you can bet that they will be scrambling like crazy to correct this mistake once it is discovered. Too bad they have only one day- sucks to be them!! It's their mistake, not yours.

Try not to stress too much and try to recharge- you are on vacation and School is stressful enough without this garbage added to the mix!

Good luck!

:imbar Just wanted to say sorry for having a come-apart here. I guess I just needed to vent--anyway thanks to everyone for listening, reading and responding.

Don't be sorry! I would have felt the same way and totally flipped out, probably worse than you as I have a tendency to overreact big time.

My best friend would usually be the one telling me that it is someone elses problem, not mine. She has been slowly teaching me to look at things from another perspective and it works like a charm!!

We are all here for you and please please keep us posted!

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Oh yes the raw scores did pop up at the end of the test...and the option to print the scores was available. HOWEVER, we are forbidden to print it off on school printers- "this is considered personal use".

About contacting someone: I did call the provost-dean of instruction of the nursing department. I told her who I was and said sooo sorry to call you during the holidays however I am very upset by the letter I received. Basically told her what the letter said cutting through all the fluff crap--she said matter-of-fact --"I dont know anything about financial aid. You recieved an incomplete because we could not get your hesi score. I dont know what else to tell you." [EVIL][/EVIL] I said I understand the problem with hesi -- what I am telling you is the school reopens on the 3rd -- the absolute last day to pay tuition 4th. Without financial aid I have no money to pay tuition. She very sounding very indifferent and cold --"like I said I dont know what else to tell you" ---I so wanted to say --well Merry Dang Christmas to you too along with a few other things. :trout: But I just said well ok --- well thank you for your concern and hung up the phone!

I would have been nice to have a little bit of reassurance-- but no concern at all.

Why does the combination of nursing school and rant not seem surprising?!?

Your administration must run the same school I go to. . . Very frustrating. They've lost tests (not the HESI, but midterms) at my school, too, and since we have no way of proving we took the tests, never mind the score (printing our scores is considered cheating) the faculty/administration response is, "Since you can't prove you took/passed the test, you're out of luck." I've got a good friend who failed the semester because they lost a test worth 1/3 of her grade. This is a 4.0 student, btw.

Anyway, I'm sorry. You are terribly frustrated and angry, and rightfully so. I hope financial aid can end up helping you. Although, they aren't always the easiest to work with either.

What is the Hesi? Is it similar to the ATI? We have to take those each semester but we don't pay for them...

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