BSN minimum requirement

JennieBSN · Mar 10, 2001

Originally posted by egmillard:
It appears that you think you are a professional, just because you have a degree. I have met many nurses with diplomas and 2 year degree, who are far better than those with 4 year degrees. I have met incredibly bad nurses with masters degrees. Your education does not define what kind of nurse you are, or how good you are at your job, it simply allows you to gain quicker promotions.

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RNPD stated at the beginning of her comment that she is an ADN nurse. However, judging by her behavior and eloquent commentary(read: absence of put-downs, nastiness), I'd call her a TRUE professional, hands down.

JennieBSN · Mar 10, 2001

Originally posted by egmillard:
It appears that you think you are a professional, just because you have a degree. I have met many nurses with diplomas and 2 year degree, who are far better than those with 4 year degrees. I have met incredibly bad nurses with masters degrees. Your education does not define what kind of nurse you are, or how good you are at your job, it simply allows you to gain quicker promotions.

[This message has been edited by egmillard (edited March 09, 2001).]

RNPD stated at the beginning of her comment that she is an ADN nurse. However, judging by her behavior and eloquent commentary(read: absence of put-downs, nastiness), I'd call her a TRUE professional, hands down.

Tim-GNP · Mar 10, 2001

To be frank many of the comments sadden me... First of all familymanRNBSN, it's Tim-GNP- it's an RN with a BSN, an MSN, and an additional certificate beyond that. Hooked on phonics worked for me.

Second of all, to all the nurses who refer to yourselves as 'butt wipers' I think you are classless & white trash. In my line of work, I care for MANY people who are incontinent, and require gentle and prompt cleaning of their excrement. It is something to be done with humility and in a matter-of-factish way. I have attended to many individuals who cried because somebody HAD to provide thistype of care for them. It is done in silence and drawing attention away from the task-- NOT with the bells and whistles of referring to yourself as a 'butt wiper' that's just tasteless!!!

And, sheripa... I loved reading your family's resume... big s***! Try living through your own accomplishments instead of vicariously living through others, and as for your uncle- i'm not surprised, many Doctors are morons.

Mazeltov!

Tim-GNP · Mar 10, 2001

To be frank many of the comments sadden me... First of all familymanRNBSN, it's Tim-GNP- it's an RN with a BSN, an MSN, and an additional certificate beyond that. Hooked on phonics worked for me.

Second of all, to all the nurses who refer to yourselves as 'butt wipers' I think you are classless & white trash. In my line of work, I care for MANY people who are incontinent, and require gentle and prompt cleaning of their excrement. It is something to be done with humility and in a matter-of-factish way. I have attended to many individuals who cried because somebody HAD to provide thistype of care for them. It is done in silence and drawing attention away from the task-- NOT with the bells and whistles of referring to yourself as a 'butt wiper' that's just tasteless!!!

And, sheripa... I loved reading your family's resume... big s***! Try living through your own accomplishments instead of vicariously living through others, and as for your uncle- i'm not surprised, many Doctors are morons.

Mazeltov!

mustangsheba · Mar 10, 2001

I just finished reading this whole thing and of course I can't resist making a comment. Someone mentioned that critical thinking and community nursing are what she learned in her BSN program. Classes in community nursing and critical thinking were included in my ADN. Other than courses in administration, we received essentially the same education as SOME of the BSN programs. My point being that, just as our friends the doctors, the educations we receive have something to do with the schools we attend. We can't all go to Harvard. Some of us are limited by the area in which we live. I am getting my BA in an entirely different area from nursing. I am a bedside nurse. I have no desire to go into administration or research. I am glad there are those who want to do those things. I admire and appreciate them but do not envy them. We all have unique gifts and skills. Nursing needs and should nurture this diversity.

mustangsheba · Mar 10, 2001

I just finished reading this whole thing and of course I can't resist making a comment. Someone mentioned that critical thinking and community nursing are what she learned in her BSN program. Classes in community nursing and critical thinking were included in my ADN. Other than courses in administration, we received essentially the same education as SOME of the BSN programs. My point being that, just as our friends the doctors, the educations we receive have something to do with the schools we attend. We can't all go to Harvard. Some of us are limited by the area in which we live. I am getting my BA in an entirely different area from nursing. I am a bedside nurse. I have no desire to go into administration or research. I am glad there are those who want to do those things. I admire and appreciate them but do not envy them. We all have unique gifts and skills. Nursing needs and should nurture this diversity.

Born 2 B In OB · Mar 10, 2001

I am SO glad I've decided to go into nursing after earning my BS in biology education. Seems that nursing has similar problems as education does!

Seriously, I really am glad that I've chosen to go into nursing because I have a "change the world" mentality. I tend to think positive and offer suggestions/possible solutions whenever I gripe.

With that said, how do you feel about my ideas below? (Please don't be too harsh!)

First, focus your energy on becoming committed to a SOLUTION to the problems of nursing, then maybe there wouldn't be so many problems. Offer suggestions with your comments... you may be surprised that some of them will be taken! And, don't forget to listen! Some of us are so busy making our point and getting the last word in that we don't hear anything but our own voices.

Second, stop the turf wars! Internal fighting only serves to weaken the nursing profession. Find ground that everyone agrees on and build on that foundation. There IS mutual ground here!

Third, determine the minimum requirements for nursing education. Personally, I believe the BSN should be the minimum requirement IF nurses are to be considered professionals by the outside world. I am NOT saying that ADNs are less prepared, uneducated, etc.; however, 2 year degrees are simply not viewed by the public as professional degrees. I DO believe that there should be a timeframe that the BSN can be obtained. For example, ADN programs would still be in place (great for those on a tight budget, with families, etc.); however, they would be required to continue their education and obtain their BSN within X years (say 10 years?).

Finally, as with any profession, we should all strive to commit to our profession through continued training, education, etc., unite together as a profession and seek ways to improve quality on a daily basis.

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Born 2 B In OB · Mar 10, 2001