Are anti-vaccine people conspiracy theorists generally? - page 19

I have an old friend from years ago who I now keep in touch with on Facebook. Her posts are fascinating in the amazing variety of conspiracy theories, some outrageous, some maybe partially true.... Read More

  1. by   hherrn
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    Conspiracists are more willing to conspire? Provide a legitimate source for this opinion, please?

    Conspiracists reject nearly all scientific principles to varying extent? Wow again. No source cited.

    Larger role? What does that mean? Conspiracists want fame? Or what?
    Yet again Kooky- I really can not tell if you are shooting for irony, or what.

    I sometimes wonder how people pick a name for this forum. I am not wondering that now.
  2. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    We work to create the reality we want to see in our society. We don't just accept the current status quo if it is not acceptable to us. Ever hear of revolutions?
    Teenage pregnancy rates are at all time low for the last 30+ years. This is due to in part to comprehensive sex education and not sticking ou collective heads in the sand while dealing with the realities of society that have always been there and not ignoring these realities in favor of what some people think the culture should be.
  3. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    There was definitely no quarantine or other public health measure in the beginning. I lived through that time so don't even think of telling me there were. This known killer disease was so politicized that normal public health measures were suspended in dealing with it.
    Why would you ostracize someone with HIV or AIDS? Why would they need to be quarantined, which I never suggested they should be. People with HIV have been prosecuted for knowingly spreading HIV, but in general it is relatively difficult outside of intercourse or sharing needles to get HIV unlike the flu, MMR, TB etc.

    Public health measures actually evolved rather quickly with our understanding of HIV. The Practice of Public Health - The Social Impact Of AIDS In The United States - NCBI Bookshelf
  4. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    cop out
    Yep, out of reality.
  5. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    This whole argument has been that caregivers need the flu vaccine so they don't infect their patients.

    If a worker is nowhere near patients they will not be infecting patients. Same with workers in areas other than health care.

    Furthermore, the effectiveness of flu shots is quite low.
    This is a ridiculous argument, and just basic epidemiology. This an airborne disease. You can infect easily anyone within 6 feet. That means you can infect family members of patients while moving around the hospital, direct caregivers, custodial staff etc who all then can now infect the patients. The flu vaccine overall effectiveness averages around 50%. That isn't great, but still a 50% reduction is still good enough to prevent thousands of deaths and billions of wasted healthcare dollars if everyone was vaccinated.
  6. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    You're lost? It's alright, don't trouble yourself.
    I wont trouble myself because you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.
  7. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    Conspiracists are more willing to conspire? Provide a legitimate source for this opinion, please?

    Conspiracists reject nearly all scientific principles to varying extent? Wow again. No source cited.

    Larger role? What does that mean? Conspiracists want fame? Or what?
    I have already provided several links to studies about antivaxxers and conspiracy theorists. What legitimate sources have you provided?
  8. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    The trouble isn't just with diseases being brought in by immigrants. These viruses are kept alive at CDC, Plum Island, maybe other locations. A good hurricane hitting Plum, for instance, can likely bring them out into the open. Military research about biological research is an issue, too.
    1. No, illegal immigrants are rarely a problem with vaccination rates. False Narrative on Measles Outbreak - FactCheck.org. Statistics | At a glance: Mexico | UNICEF Legal immigrants have to show proof of being fully vaccinated prior to immigrating. The recent outbreak of measles at Disneyland was caused from European visitors being inadequately/not vaccinated. It had nothing to do with immigrants.
    2. It is highly unlikely that any natural castophe would ever release biological pathogens due to the safeguards set in place. The military does not produce biological agents for war. That was outlawed in the 1970s.
  9. by   BostonFNP
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    Conspiracists are more willing to conspire? Provide a legitimate source for this opinion, please?
    Douglas, K. M., & Sutton, R. M. (2011). Does it take one to know one? Endorsement of conspiracy theories is influenced by personal willingness to conspire. British Journal of Social Psychology, 50(3), 544-552.

    Quote from Kooky Korky
    Conspiracists reject nearly all scientific principles to varying extent? Wow again. No source cited.
    Lewandowsky, S., Gignac, G. E., & Oberauer, K. (2013). The role of conspiracist ideation and worldviews in predicting rejection of science. PloS one, 8(10), e75637.

    Quote from Kooky Korky
    Larger role? What does that mean? Conspiracists want fame? Or what?
    It means to describe the ridiculous argument that conspiracists use that large the bodies of evidence against a theory is direct evidence that there must be a conspiracy.

    Why do you now cite some sources?
  10. by   BostonFNP
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    This whole argument has been that caregivers need the flu vaccine so they don't infect their patients.

    If a worker is nowhere near patients they will not be infecting patients. Same with workers in areas other than health care.

    Furthermore, the effectiveness of flu shots is quite low.
    Again, as other have said, basic epidemiology. Influenza has a rather low R0 ranging from 1 to 9 based on the potency of the year's strain. With a conservative vaccine effectiveness of 60% and using R0 of 2 this means that the herd immunity threshold is 0.5 and the required vaccine coverage is 83% to prevent pandemic spread. This is very simple math.
  11. by   WestCoastSunRN
    Quote from BostonFNP
    Have we seen any conspiracists that are on the pro-vaccine side yet?
    Oh Boston. Conspiracy Theory is just a subcategory of Paranoia. We've certainly seen some paranoia (with a touch of drama) from the pro vaccine side, for example...
    "Antiscience will be the undoing of the world" (cue scary music).
  12. by   wtbcrna
    Quote from WestCoastSunRN
    Oh Boston. Conspiracy Theory is just a subcategory of Paranoia. We've certainly seen some paranoia (with a touch of drama) from the pro vaccine side, for example...
    "Antiscience will be the undoing of the world" (cue scary music).
    Cite your sources.
  13. by   WestCoastSunRN
    Quote from Kooky Korky
    The trouble isn't just with diseases being brought in by immigrants. These viruses are kept alive at CDC, Plum Island, maybe other locations. A good hurricane hitting Plum, for instance, can likely bring them out into the open. Military research about biological research is an issue, too.
    What?

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