"Just" a 2-year degree - page 4

Stopped at local pharmacy to pick up prescription. Asked pharm tech how her daughter was (she's a traveling nurse); she said great, we briefly discussed how she's deciding between staying and moving... Read More

  1. by   AngelCNA
    There will always be people out there like that. I have some pretty wealthy relatives who live a distance from us. We went there to a wedding shower for my cousin and my aunt made a comment about how she was hoping that her daughter would've done better, "after all, he's JUST a doctor."
    (Not only is her now husband a doctor, he's an orthopedic surgeon. LOL!)

    So, don't let others offend you. They don't always realize what they are saying.:angel2:
  2. by   ConkyTonker
    Oho, am I all over this one!

    Recently, some ignorant person told me that his daughter was starting nursing school at a "real four-year college" so that "her degree would mean something." This SOB said this with a straight face to a person he knows (me), who works in a Level I Neuro Trauma ICU who just happened to go to a lesser, meaningless ADN institution.

    I don't want to open the ugly can of BSN vs. ADN worms, but what that man said is fightin' words where I come from. Now, I don't have a four-year degree, I don't have a bazillion years' experience (I have just over one), and I will gladly tell you that I don't know everything -- never have, never will. But when the brown stuff hits the fan, and his family member has a Grade 4 SAH, and the RNs and neurosurgeon taking care of his family member are working their b@lls off to save their loved one, will he give a cr@p what degree said nurse has?

    Just my two cents worth. My name is Conky Tonker, and I'm a proud Neuro Nurse.
  3. by   mvsnurse2b
    Had to add my two cents...after a career in technology I was downsized and my position in management eliminated....what a shock!!! After a brief feeling sorry for myself session I decided to enroll in the local community college for nursing-only two years and I could be doing something I had thought about 20+years ago. Well, my 2 years turned to 3. The admissions people were very amused that I thought I would gain entry right away! The prereqs were hard, the core classes were hard and our program's graduates are more sought after than any in BSN programs from the area. We have solid professors who are still working nurses unlike many of the 4 year colleges. I currently work in an ER of a large hospital system. My schooling prepared me for many of the skills and what ifs that cross my path daily. Prior to becoming a nurse I worked in this same department as a technician. I have had the opportunity to work with nurses from diploma, 2 year and 4 year programs during "real" nursing. I can honestly say I will take a "hands on" diploma or 2 year nurse anyday if I was a patient. It seems many of the 4 year programs clinicals are based on hypothetical actions like "this is a foley-this is what you are supposed to do with it" as opposed to actually lab demo, patient demo with professor and doing it till you get it right. Academically, the only difference is the amount of other classes. Clinical rotations semesters are the same, we take the same NCLEX, and all share the title of Rn
  4. by   SeanyRN
    Quote from Alexsys
    I know! I will have my BSN in April, but the ASN was much more difficult to get through! I dont like hearing that "just a two year" crap. Nursing school to me was more like boot camp! The ones that refer to that as "just a two year" degree obviously have not been through it

    Just wanted to point out that getting up in the wee hours of the morning in the ASN were difficult for me. Not like that in the BSN program I am currently in.
    Who ever said you dont have to get up a wee hours to earn your BSN. Earning a BSN is very difficult. Probably the hardest thing I have ever done. ADN nurses will never ever ever understand how difficult a BSN program is to go through. Its funny how ADN nurses always try and compare BSN degree to a ADN. If a BSN program is sooooooooo much easier why isnt everyone a BSN? And why dont BSN go back to school and get there ADN. There is no comparison. BSN nurses took that extra step in there education and made it more than just a 2 year degree.
  5. by   SeanyRN
    Quote from ojoson
    2 year and 4 year RN's take the same test, that should say something for the 2 year RN's. I am a 2 year RN and am in upper management. 4 year programs touch more on administration and public health, that is the only plus I see.

    How would you know if you only have tour ADN?
  6. by   SeanyRN
    Quote from Tweety
    a little more patho, a little more pharm, some research, more in depth asssessment as well as those community health and leadership courses. Taking an RN to BSN, I get just a little defensive when I hear "it's just a couple more courses".....how about 16 more for me. LOL

    But I agree, they both can pass NCLEX and not much difference in beginning bedside nurses.

    I'm also impressed with those with ADNs that advance far beyond the bedside such as yourself. In my class there are several managers, directors, house supervisors, educators etc. etc. Where I work those jobs are shut out to me, but it's not like that everywhere, where the persons experience and skills count more than "a few courses" (smile).
    Please inform these people. This is why nurses never shake that image of handmaidens to doctors. Its because nurses are like crabs in a barrel. Nurses respect doctors, physical therapist, resp. therapist, occupationat therapist, speech therapist but when it come to a BSN, respect just flys out the window. I think ADN on this board should applaud BSN for taking there commitment a step further. The hate that ADN'S on this board have is overwhelming and disgusting. ADN nurses dont respect BSN nurses at least the majority on this board. A little more patho, a little more pharm, some research, more indepth assesment, and community is an understatement. We take the same pharmacy classes as pharmacy students, we take the same patho and health assesment as pre med students. It gets really annoying when ADN nurses equate there degree to a BSN. We as nurses need to respect others for there achievments. My sis has her ADN nad the day she graduated she started planning to get her BSN now she is in her last semester for her BSN. My mom started off as an LPN, then got her ADN, then BSN, then MA, now she is getting her PhD. ADN are meant to get there BSN and advance.
  7. by   RNsRWe
    Quote from SeanyRN
    Who ever said you dont have to get up a wee hours to earn your BSN. Earning a BSN is very difficult. Probably the hardest thing I have ever done. ADN nurses will never ever ever understand how difficult a BSN program is to go through. Its funny how ADN nurses always try and compare BSN degree to a ADN. If a BSN program is sooooooooo much easier why isnt everyone a BSN? And why dont BSN go back to school and get there ADN. There is no comparison. BSN nurses took that extra step in there education and made it more than just a 2 year degree.
    Excuse me, but I really don't want to see this turn into yet another ADN vs BSN debacle. It's far too easy to get petty, and the post I'm quoting sets it up for a fight. Let's not go there, shall we?

    I can add to this thread now, actually....ran into an old school friend, we caught each other up quickly on where we were and what we were doing, and he said his wife had looked into nursing but had gotten turned off because of how much education was required, time committment, etc. He asked where I had gone to school, and I told him the name of the CC: the one where the joke in the 80's was that all you needed was a pencil to get in :uhoh21: I had to clarify that by telling him that the NURSING program was one of the hardest in the State, one of the VERY best by reputation, and I was proud to have made it in and then through . However, he then said "you could go all the way through School X for nursing?" "Yes....?" "Oh, I thought School X was JUST for two year degrees...." !!! ACK!!! I know he was thinking that one could ONLY get to an RN via a 4-yr degree, so I told him that well, it DID take 3.5 even with our lil' community college .

    There you go. General public.
  8. by   RNsRWe
    Quote from SeanyRN
    Please inform these people. This is why nurses never shake that image of handmaidens to doctors. Its because nurses are like crabs in a barrel. Nurses respect doctors, physical therapist, resp. therapist, occupationat therapist, speech therapist but when it come to a BSN, respect just flys out the window. I think ADN on this board should applaud BSN for taking there commitment a step further. The hate that ADN'S on this board have is overwhelming and disgusting. ADN nurses dont respect BSN nurses at least the majority on this board. A little more patho, a little more pharm, some research, more indepth assesment, and community is an understatement. We take the same pharmacy classes as pharmacy students, we take the same patho and health assesment as pre med students. It gets really annoying when ADN nurses equate there degree to a BSN. We as nurses need to respect others for there achievments. My sis has her ADN nad the day she graduated she started planning to get her BSN now she is in her last semester for her BSN. My mom started off as an LPN, then got her ADN, then BSN, then MA, now she is getting her PhD. ADN are meant to get there BSN and advance.
    Please stop. Save this ire for a different thread?
  9. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from SeanyRN
    Who ever said you dont have to get up a wee hours to earn your BSN. Earning a BSN is very difficult. Probably the hardest thing I have ever done. ADN nurses will never ever ever understand how difficult a BSN program is to go through. Its funny how ADN nurses always try and compare BSN degree to a ADN. If a BSN program is sooooooooo much easier why isnt everyone a BSN? And why dont BSN go back to school and get there ADN. There is no comparison. BSN nurses took that extra step in there education and made it more than just a 2 year degree.
    The poster you are refering to was referencing the BSN program that she is "currently in", not all of them.
  10. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from SeanyRN
    Please inform these people. This is why nurses never shake that image of handmaidens to doctors. Its because nurses are like crabs in a barrel. Nurses respect doctors, physical therapist, resp. therapist, occupationat therapist, speech therapist but when it come to a BSN, respect just flys out the window. I think ADN on this board should applaud BSN for taking there commitment a step further. The hate that ADN'S on this board have is overwhelming and disgusting. ADN nurses dont respect BSN nurses at least the majority on this board. A little more patho, a little more pharm, some research, more indepth assesment, and community is an understatement. We take the same pharmacy classes as pharmacy students, we take the same patho and health assesment as pre med students. It gets really annoying when ADN nurses equate there degree to a BSN. We as nurses need to respect others for there achievments. My sis has her ADN nad the day she graduated she started planning to get her BSN now she is in her last semester for her BSN. My mom started off as an LPN, then got her ADN, then BSN, then MA, now she is getting her PhD. ADN are meant to get there BSN and advance.
    So one person makes a comment like that and the whole board catches the lecture for it?


    I highly agree with the poster that is requesting that this thread doesn't degenerate into yet ANOTHER ADN/BSN slingfest.
  11. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from RNsRWe
    Please stop. Save this ire for a different thread?
    Amen.
  12. by   SeanyRN
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    So one person makes a comment like that and the whole board catches the lecture for it?


    I highly agree with the poster that is requesting that this thread doesn't degenerate into yet ANOTHER ADN/BSN slingfest.
    My bad.:uhoh21:
  13. by   podell
    Hello Just two years,
    I have been a RN for three years. I must say I have several things behind me that had nothing to do with Nursing and obtaining a nursing degree was the hardest I have ever done. I am in a BSN program and I find resistance to the fact that BSN are better prepared critically in reagards to thinking. It is an insult. I live in NH look at the board results of who passes it first time around The NCLEX is based on critical thinking and all level grads take it. NH has as many two year grads passing then BSN grads thats the first time around. I work in a small hospital and I dare one to challenge me on my skill and "rounded nursing ability"/ NH Nurse

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