"Just" a 2-year degree - page 3
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Oct 6, '06I USED to be JUST an EMT, JUST a paramedic, JUST a Hospital Corpsman, JUST an LVN and now I am per my Manager "A professional Registered Nurse in the Emergency Department."
I got a loan in the LVN to RN program. It paid me as a Junior in college despite being in an ADN program. Going full time takes 3-4 years. A BSN 5.
I learned so much in my program and am proud to be an RN. It is true though the general public does not know an Associate Degree takes at least 3 years. When folks enquire I tell them about all of the pre reqs, waiting list, GPA requirements and they are blown away.
In California there are tons of ADN programs at Community Colleges but a small amount of BSN programs.
I just got a job that is helping me from day one to get a BSN. The clinical hours I work now count for 5 units and administration supports us.
But truly, all I ever want is to be a bedside Nurse. But I love to learn.
Now I am the RN.
I hated being referred to as a "just"
So I work with ED Techs. They are not "my tech" They are not just a tech or the unit clerk is not JUST a clerk.
We do not live in a vacuum, we work as a team.
I am sorry when ignorant people do not know the sacrifices we ADN RN's have made. But at least I FINALLY have a college degree
Oct 6, '06there are somethings that have to be ignored and her dts probably had to work like everything to get through probably made them better nurses..if you float thru anything you are propably not retaining much
Oct 7, '06I think rude is rude is rude and some people would be rude no matter. If it wasn't your degree, it would be your choice of car or where you live or the color of your hair. By the way, I got my two year degree 28 years ago and have worked overseas, in an ER, night shift when my kids were little, as a camp nurse (with free tuition for my kids) for two summers on the east coast, clinic nurse, school nurse (best job in the world but not enough money) and now am working as a "consultant". Not bad mileage from a little ol' two year degree. But I still wish I had a BSN which I am going to start next year. Just because I know I can, not because of what anyone else says. I think nursing is the greatest career in the world and can be adapted to any stage of a woman's life. Or man's. A good nurse is worth her weight in gold.
Oct 7, '06The way our educational instituitions are getting in two more years you would qualify for underwater basket weaving.
Oct 7, '06let us remember that regardless of what degree you have, unless you pass the boards and have RN after your name, it really doesn't matterLast edit by cookie102 on Oct 7, '06
Oct 7, '06Quote from cookie102:yeahthat:let us remember that regardless of what degree you have, unless you pass the boards and have RN, it really doesn't matter
Oct 7, '062 year and 4 year RN's take the same test, that should say something for the 2 year RN's. I am a 2 year RN and am in upper management. 4 year programs touch more on administration and public health, that is the only plus I see.
Oct 7, '06Quote from CeCiRNJUST A 2 YEAR DEGREE??? Gadzooks those were two of the hardest years of my life and NCLEX wasn't a piece of cake either and I passed on the first try. Nurses regardless of their degrees earn that "RN" with blood sweat and lots of tears...
"Blood, sweat and LOTS of tears........" that describes the 2 year nursing program I graduated from in 1977. Our class started out with 103 and ended up with 57 graduating. It was the hardest program and I'm proud to say I passed on the first try-many didn't- and had high marks with mult-state privileges. I lived and breathed nursing for two straight years and hardly had any sleep during that time- I also had a 7 mos. old, 3 & 6 yr. olds to care for. Our instructors told us not to feel intimidated by the 3 yr. or 4 yr. grads because we were taking the same test as they were. If I had it to do over again, I would take the 4 yr. BSN, only because I think the courses would be spread out and not crammed down our throats like the 2 yr. program was.
Oct 7, '06I received a lot of comments from my former coworkers during and after I completed my A.S. and A.A. degrees. It seems they think since I spent so much time in school that I should be a nurse by now or have a master's degree. It is hard to work and go to school. Some of them realized after I left to finish up my last pre-req. I inspired one person to return and finish her hours for medical massage school because she stated that I stood strong and never let any of their comments bother me.(Eventhough on the inside it did hurt coming from friends). I don't know how many people have scarcastically wished me a "good luck," and have said,"so and so tried and didn't make it through". I know it will be tough, but I am determined to try. I know it will be a difficult program and I am ready.Last edit by jsluv2run on Oct 7, '06
Oct 7, '06Quote from ojoson2 year and 4 year RN's take the same test, that should say something for the 2 year RN's. I am a 2 year RN and am in upper management. 4 year programs touch more on administration and public health, that is the only plus I see.
a little more patho, a little more pharm, some research, more in depth asssessment as well as those community health and leadership courses. Taking an RN to BSN, I get just a little defensive when I hear "it's just a couple more courses".....how about 16 more for me. LOL
But I agree, they both can pass NCLEX and not much difference in beginning bedside nurses.
I'm also impressed with those with ADNs that advance far beyond the bedside such as yourself. In my class there are several managers, directors, house supervisors, educators etc. etc. Where I work those jobs are shut out to me, but it's not like that everywhere, where the persons experience and skills count more than "a few courses" (smile).Last edit by Tweety on Oct 8, '06
Oct 7, '06Quote from texas_lvnYou should have said, "and you make how much money?" Then you should have said,"I guess it takes a pretty bright person to realize it is better to spend two years in school instead of four to make the same amount of money."This is going to offend some people, but she is "JUST" a pharm TECH. I do not see her getting a higher degree . Some people are ignorant , and jealous:uhoh21: . I have much empathy for you.
People kill me. I remember my high school chemistry teacher making fun of people who went to Devri (sp?) Electronic Institute. Well, I was a little offended at the time because my brother-in-law graduated from there(even though I don't like my bro-in-law much) Of course, I didn't relate things in terms of money then, but I realize now what a monkey my chemistry teacher was/is. My brother-in-law has a job with Texas Instruments and makes a six figure income, while that teacher is making what he makes.
Oct 7, '06Quote from RNsRWeI don't get this very much, but I HATE the fact that our 2 year ADN program is really a 4 year degree. The program is so competitive that you've got to have all of your prereq's done and if you get a C in any of them then retake it because you're not getting in. I'm on my last year of the RN and taking BSN classes at the same time. Those classes are 10x easier than my RN core! IMO, RN itself should count for more than an AS degree... Most BS degrees are easier and take the same amount of time.So I think alot of people think that must be nursing, too, if it's "just" a two year degree! Can't blame them: until a THREE-YEAR degree for nursing can be established, it's gonna happen.
Oct 7, '06I'm am on my 15th semester in a row. This is because I could only take one or two pre-req classes at night because of my full-time day job. When I was accepted into the nursing program I quit my job and went full time. Our school has two semesters, skip summer and then two more semesters. But I am in the expidited track which is 4 semester straight in a row. Intense, but worth it. That means I have been going to school since Jan 2002. Sad, huh? This, my opinion does not fall into a two-year degree. On paper it looks like it, but in reality it isn't. This is just my story, I'm sure there are a lot of people who were able to do full-time with pre-req's and got through it quicker.