Not sure what to do with an issue I have with my supervisor. - page 2
Hi, I'm a relatively new nurse, I'm coming up on my one year anniversary at the hospital I work at. That being said, I've recently had my annual review. It was positive all around, I was pleased,... Read More
Sep 12, '12 by imintroubleDon't let the satisfaction you feel for what you have, be dependent on what someone else has. I don't know if that makes sense or not.
Life isn't fair, and somebody is always going to do better than yourself.
It sounds like you were ok with your raise. You wanted the 2 %, but was satisfied with what you received, until you found out someone had more.
It will make you resentful and angry.
Been there done that. The only one miserable is you.
Sep 12, '12 by ddunnrnThis kind od management deviousness is one of the main reasons I think nurses should be unionized. I have worked in union shops for about half of my 27 years as an RN, and there was much more fairness in compensation and other work issues where here was a union. I have seen management do some pretty despicable things, even with a union, but at least a union can help stop some of the more egregious practices. Of course your management wanted a gag order--they knew what would happen if the truth came out; on the other hand, it's interesting to me how management secretly tries to divide and conquer by causing suspiciousness in the ranks.
Sep 12, '12 by Kooky KorkyStart a rumor saying you got 4%. Deny it up one side and down the other if your boss says anything to you about it.
Just kidding. I wish I had an answer for you but I don't.
You have received choices in the above responses.
Now, what do you think you will do?
Sep 12, '12 by mazyYou got a raise, which is good. If they really felt you needed more improvement you would not have gotten a raise. You did not get docked, you got a raise. Not the raise you were hoping for, but it was a raise.
A lot of people, myself included, have not gotten a yearly raise because in this economic climate facilities are cutting back on things like staffing and hours, and they can get away with murder when it comes to compensation. We have been told flat out at my job, there will be no raises. For anyone.
Now. I know full well that some people are getting raises. But mostly that is because they are taking on responsibilities that no one wants, or they are able to negotiate taking x shift or y unit or some such other weird thing into a bump in pay.
But that's life. It's the politics of the work place. It's the same everywhere.
I would not stress about this too much. People are not always honest about compensation, even with themselves, and every facility can be counted on to have layers and layers of secrets. You may think you know something to be true, chances are you have no idea of all the back story that is behind everything you hear about.
Sep 12, '12 by Wet NoodleWhere I one worked, the average raise was a function of the inflation rate and how well the company was doing. A department's overall average raise was supposed to match the company-wide average raise.
The raise an individual would get was a function of where he was in the pay grade, and how well his performance evaluation went. Someone with an average review who was in the middle of his pay grade would get an average raise. It was a simple formula.
The only subjective component was the performance evaluation. It didn't leave much for employees to complain about with respect to raises. It left little motivation for employees to discuss raises with one another. It would over time (sometimes quite rapidly) move employees' salaries to where they belonged in their labor grade's pay scale.
Why don't all but the smallest organizations do it that way?
Sep 12, '12 by redhead_NURSE98!, ADNQuote from Hygiene Queen
Do NOT talk to your supervisor about this.
Nobody... nobody is supposed to be discussing these things.
You will look foolish and further lay damage on your work environment.Quote from netglowNot disagreeing with anyone's advice, but just so you know, it's illegal for an employer to forbid discussing wages. It's lovely that they'd "like for them to stay confidential," and you can see why. Not legal to ban such discussion though.You could easily get in big trouble if you come off wrong in speaking to your supervisor about it. For one, you should not have any knowledge of a disparity, so, your bringing it up puts you at fault right out of the box.
Sep 12, '12 by redhead_NURSE98!, ADNQuote from merleeThose facilities would do well to check out federal labor laws.Some facilities have a 'do not tell' policy that can get people fired if they reveal their salary. Be very careful where you tread.
Sep 12, '12 by cclashFinally, a sense of reason. I cannot believe the resposes you got. This is just not right. You have every right to be outraged. Here are some questions I have for you, Have you been in trouble in any way? What did they do about it? How was your evaluation? This is what I would do. I would ask for a meeting with the supervisor, and her boss. Take another worker with you. Tell them what you know. Ask why you didn't get the same. It is your right to have another worker with you. They won't like it, and may give you a hard time because you are bringing a witness to the conversation. Before I do this I would be on the look out for other positions that are available. Do yourself a favor and look at unionized places. When I went to work in a unionized hospital I was scared to death. All I thought about was going on strike. Could I do it? I thought no. The truth is we only came close once, and it was regarding staffing and being able to give proper care to patients. We negotiated to agreement and in 35 years there we never neglected patients, workers got fair treatment because we had back up. It was fair. If you don't talk about what you make they will single out workers and give them as little as possible. Change that, you've already started. Go forward with patient care as yur key issue, but equal treatment of all workers. Find the job you love. If you don't look elsewhere. Find the job that you can call "The best job in America." It is out there. Good luck.
Sep 12, '12 by Meriwhen, ASN, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorQuote from afarmerThe fact that you two started at the same time doesn't mean that the other new grad doesn't have skills/abilities/certifications/prior healthcare experience that you are not aware of, or that their performance wasn't better than yours in some aspect(s).The other nurse and I were both new grads when we started. I wouldn't have such a problem with the disparity if I didn't feel like I had been lied to. I almost wish I didn't know, because now I feel like I'm being singled out.
And as others have said, people have been known to be less than truthful regarding what they make in salary.
As far as what you should so about it...I honesty don't know. If you do decide to pursue this with your manager/HR/etc., just tread carefully. It's not likely that you'd be fired for talking about your salary with coworkers or questioning your raise...but doing so is not going to make you many friends in management either.Last edit by Meriwhen on Sep 12, '12
Sep 12, '12 by woohPerhaps the other nurse would have gotten a 6% raise if she'd been there all year and you would have gotten a 3% raise if you'd been there all year. Your performance might jot be as good as hers, thus your portion of a full raise is less than her portion of a full raise.
There could be career ladder things that she's done. There could be experience she had before joining.
Is THIS something worth risking your job when you don't know the whole story?
While I agree, they can't fire you for discussing pay, they can make life at this job difficult, and more than likely find something that they CAN fire you for.
If you're going to pursue this, pursue with caution.
Sep 13, '12 by joanna73 GuideSalaries are supposed to be kept confidential. Unless of course, you're unionized and rates are common knowledge. Since your supervisor has had a discussion with you regarding your salary, there is nothing you will gain by debating the issue. And, as others mentioned, your coworkers could be lying, just to make themselves look better. Who knows? Leave it alone.
Sep 13, '12 by Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorQuote from redhead_NURSE98!Technically, yes. The NLRB (The National Labor Relations Board) has taken cases to court (none of them hospitals I might add) about "confidentially" clauses prohibiting the discussion of workers compensation and have won based on the laws that protect the employees under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA, also known as the Wagner Act of 1935). Specifically, cannot "interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in exercising their rights under NLRA which protects the employees' right to discuss their 'wages, hours, and other terms and conditions of employment' for their 'mutual aid or protection'."Not disagreeing with anyone's advice, but just so you know, it's illegal for an employer to forbid discussing wages. It's lovely that they'd "like for them to stay confidential," and you can see why. Not legal to ban such discussion though.
The National Labor Relations Board has ruled for the past 25 years that employer rules forbidding workers to discuss wages are unfair labor practices, in violation of NLRA. Some employers may set pay confidentiality policies in the belief that NLRA applies only to unionized workforces. The relevant portion of NLRA applies even to non-unionized companies.
Now, especially in "At will states", an employer may fire an employee for any reason except one that is legally forbidden. So they think of another reason to fire you. It is not fair. It is not right. But if they want to retaliate......trust me hospitals know how to document your exit. Legally, precisely, and permanently.....and they know how to black ball you just as easily.
OP........There are many things that are illegal and laws that protect you. Do you have the time, and money, to pursue this? Is that 1% worth losing your job, looking for another job, and explaining why you are NOT for rehire at the present one.....in this present job market? Is it worth quitting and looking for another job in this market? If it is I suggest you do not quit one job before you have another.
If you choose the righteous path and demand to know what the deal is with the different "reports" of raises....be prepare for the consequences for they obviously choose to remain secretive.
Your rights under the NLRB
Sep 13, '12 by afarmerThe other new grad has no prior experience. Another nurse that did who started a month before us still got the same salary and a 2% raise. If it's performance based, then I just want the management to tell me during my review instead of saying I'm doing great and things are fine. The only reason they gave me for the half raise is that I hadn't been there long enough. Which is a blatant lie, and that's why I'm upset. What's to stop them from doing the same thing next year? I'm back and forth about talking to them. I'm a very passive person, respectful of authority and I hate rocking the boat. On the other hand, I expect a level of honesty from people.