Starting An Agency - page 6
I'm exploring the possibility of starting an agency. I've worked agency for several years in an urban area with many hospitals (and agencies). I have a pretty good feel for what hospitals are paying... Read More
Jul 25, '04Hello. Everyone. I am a nursing student graduating in Sept (god-willing). And am working on a project in Entrepreneurship in Nursing. I found this thread which relates to it. Can some of you out there tell me the pro's and con's of starting your own business? Also, what do you need to suceed in it? Thanks, much appreciated!!
Jul 25, '04Quote from nightngale1998Amen sister!I still find it amazing, that people who truly "do not know the business" are those who seek out contracts.
Nurses, can, and do, get their own contracts and benefit from cutting out the middle man in Agency Nursing.
Jul 12, '05Quote from Haywire58Hello, I am looking forward to opening a health care agency. Can you tell me what costs are involved in doing it?I'm exploring the possibility of starting an agency. I've worked agency for several years in an urban area with many hospitals (and agencies). I have a pretty good feel for what hospitals are paying agencies for nurses. I am thinking about a small recruitment of 12-20 experienced RNs, most of whom I have worked with and know to be excellent caregivers. And they are motivated to work. I know that I can charge less than any agency in the area, and at the same time pay my nurses more than anyone else, and still make money. My overhead will be very low, as I will run this from an office at home. I'm prepared for long hours and legwork. Certainly there are obstacles, not the least of which relates to payroll. I do not have the cash reserves to buffer against hospital billing cycles which can be anywhere from 2-4 weeks or more. Obviously, I want my nurses getting paid on time.
Any folks out there running an agency, or experienced in these matters? I'd appreciate any feedback.
Jul 14, '05Quote from WyomingRNgood infoBoth me and my husband are independent contractors. Technically speaking, all agencies are independent contractors. My husband is a construction contractor. I took his 14 years of experience and applied it to nursing and am now a nursing contractor. Like my husband, sometimes I am the only employee of the business. Like my husband, sometimes I hire a few employees when the need arises.
As a nursing contractor, I work out of my home; as do many independent contractors including my husband. I started off as the only employee and had very little expense. One month, I paid for my yellow page advertising; the next month I paid for insurance for the LLC so that I could hire employees when the need arose. Cost can be spread out as you earn money. My entire start-up expense is paid in full and within my first two months, I recouped the entire cost working no more than 12 days. We printed up our own advertising flyers right here on the computer as we needed them. We designed and printed my business cards right here on the computer. They both look very professional and cost us a fraction of having others do it (and if want to change something, I'm not stuck with hundreds of cards). I now have a contract with two facilities and am negotiating with another.
Of course you do have the option of borrowing tons of money, renting a fancy office, buying a new computer instead of making due, ordering 500 business cards all at one time, and hiring a professional marketing agent, etc. You can run your start-up costs up as high as you like.
As to the question of what to charge, we know that there is no one answer. In preparing to go independent, I simply started asking the DON's and staffing personal at various facilities "how bad is agency zyz ripping you off?" I was surprised at the information they were willing to divulge. The love to moan and complain about how bad the facility was being ripped off. The cheapest rate we have found is $65 for an RN for our area. Every facility we have talked to in the last year has made it a point to tell us about all the extras that agencies add above the basic rate for things like a nurse working as "charge", shift differential, housing costs and travel expenses. In our area, the agencies pass everything on to the facility. So there is room to negotiate and maneuver.
Check out the information on these threads also:
Independent Nurses providing medical care?
PRN vs Independent Contract
Independent Contracting and Protecting Your License
RN Independent Contractor
This information helps you out.
Jul 17, '05Quote from earthlovers123Thank you very much. Your information is very helpful. I wish you the best for you and your business.good info
Aug 11, '05Quote from carmenjoIn my opinion, if you have not already done a very complete analysis of your competition, market pricing, market utilization and ALREADY touched base with some facilities in the area currently using agency to get an idea if they would even consider adding another agency, researched the cost of ALL of the required insurances (which some, like work comp and liability you will find it challenging to get at all!) and finally with all this info contructed very complete break-even analyses and budgets leading to the completion of a very strong business plan you are going to find it very difficult to get the funding you need to operate, unless you are getting it from an independantly wealthy individual that enjoys throwing caution to the wind.Hello to all. I am also wanting to start an agency in the DFW, Tx area. I'm currently working through the loan process (working capital) and would greatly appreciate any helpful information giiven.
If you haven't worked in the business at least at the office manager level for a couple of years minimum, have a strong accounting and finance background, an excellent grasp of cash flow management, can sell, can negotiate complex contracts, can understand margins and what you need to truly be profitable, can make collection calls when clients run slow in paying or don't seem to want to pay you at all, have the ability to make many many forms, understand computers and networking basics, understand current labor laws fully and soooo much more.... You're in for a REAL challenge. You'll need to hire people right away to do this things if you can't, or I promise you, unless you are extremely lucky (which can happen every once in a while), you'll be out of business very quickly.
Why do I seem so negative? I've seen more friends and co-workers in nursing try this. They thought, "I'm a good nurse and I'm smart so that must make me qualified to run an agency." They figure that since there are all these other companies out there doing it that they must be making a ton of money. And since they are a nurse, they should clearly know more about a nursing agency than those non-nursing people working in the agency offices. Newsflash, most aren't making much at all, and many are losing money. A nursing degree is virtually worthless by itself in making you qualified to run a business. They taught us how to do wound care, IV's, etc NOT interpret a balance sheet, a profit and loss statement, an aging report and so forth. Those friends, most of them, were living a pretty good life from a financial standpoint. Now most of them have nothing and it's really sad.
I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, just trying to bring a LITTLE bit of reality to all the people on here screeming that doing such a thing is so darn easy. It's not! Not even for a truly QUALIFIED person. And if you fail, you don't lose your job, you lose EVERYTHING you call your own.
Mar 13, '06I really would like to start an agency. Could someone help ?Last edit by nursefrazier on Mar 13, '06
Mar 13, '06Quote from nursefrazierI really would like to start an agency. Could someone help ?
I realize this thread started sometime ago; it is still timely though.
I see you are a new poster. If you can, tell us a little about yourself. If you are a Nurse Entrepreneur, tell us here:
For info regarding Directly Contracting, try starting with the Nurse Entrepreneur Forum. Here is one on Starting your own business (and THAT is a good place to start).:
Her is the Nurse Entrepreneur Forum:
That should be a good start.
Dec 24, '06Quote from WyomingRNHi, can u tell me how to pm or find your email here. i search but found none. i high-lighted your name but your wyomming company appears & noneI did just that. See my post (#79) under the heading "Nurses in other professions.
Start out slow - just you or maybe one other nurse. Then work to expand if you want to. You start out too fast or too big and you can get overloaded.
Figure 6-8 weeks from the time you bill to the time you actually receive a check. I am glad to share information, but will only do so if I am contacted by e-mail or private message due to the advertising restriction which I support.
of your name appear from that company.
I also want 2 start my own.
Dec 24, '06hi dear friends! i want to start an agency in the nyc area, i have never worked for an agency; i do have the money to finance my own payroll
i need help in a few areas; first can anybody tell me what insurances do i need to obtain and what not
second, do per diem nurses get paid benefits? if yes, after how many hours? who usually pays for ? the agency or the nurse
also can anybody tell me how to get help and recourses on developing policy and procedures?
thanks, i appreciate any of your thoughts!
Jan 2, '07Quote from Haywire58You'd probably do better as an IC. This way you get paid along with the Nurse.I'm exploring the possibility of starting an agency. I've worked agency for several years in an urban area with many hospitals (and agencies). I have a pretty good feel for what hospitals are paying agencies for nurses. I am thinking about a small recruitment of 12-20 experienced RNs, most of whom I have worked with and know to be excellent caregivers. And they are motivated to work. I know that I can charge less than any agency in the area, and at the same time pay my nurses more than anyone else, and still make money. My overhead will be very low, as I will run this from an office at home. I'm prepared for long hours and legwork. Certainly there are obstacles, not the least of which relates to payroll. I do not have the cash reserves to buffer against hospital billing cycles which can be anywhere from 2-4 weeks or more. Obviously, I want my nurses getting paid on time.
Any folks out there running an agency, or experienced in these matters? I'd appreciate any feedback.
Jan 17, '07I'm interested.
i'm looking for an agency in the US/UK who's willing to have an
ASSOCIATE RECRUITER from the Philippines.
I know a lot of RN's here.