Any new NPs go directly for DNP? - page 2

by linearthinker

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I am graduating in a few days, whoo hoo! Of course, I have no license and no job prospects, but have decided not to worry about that immediately. :lol2: I am forging ahead and beginning the DNP coursework next semester,... Read More


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    Quote from linearthinker
    As the OP, I should point out that this is not a Debate thread, this was a thread asking about others' experiences as post masters DNP students. Your impression of the import or value of my goal doesn't belong here and posts in that regard are in exceedingly poor taste. Perhaps you cold take your debate elsewhere.

    Tammy, is the leadership class the one that includes legislative testimony? I am wondering which class, if any I might take over the summer. Any thoughts on that score?
    Don't feel too bad about the critism of the DNP, particulary coming from other nurses. One central concept that is reoccuring now, as it did in 1965 with the birth of the role of the NP is that nurses--not non-nurses, present as central barriers to advancing nursing. Those who scoff at the DNP now are the same as those parochial nurses back in the '60's that said nursing had no place in the role of diagnosing and prescribing medication. Instead of stating that nursing has no place other than to support the physician as they did in 1965, now the new barrier nurses are claiming that the DNP is not the ticket and is not appropriate. Different nurses--different era--same mind frame.

    With the fact that DNP programs have went from an enrollment of 70 students back in 2001 to a present enrollment of over 5,100 (representing now 10% of the NP population in the US) coupled with the fact that all seven national NP organizations are in support of the DNP as the entry into practice by 2015 does little to persuade their reality of the situation.

    As far as the leadership course--no. It is N652 which is transformation on a macro level where you present to lobbyists and legislators.

    The only two courses offered during the summer are N653 (Data Driven Health Care Improvements) and N654 Leadership. N653 will not make much sense to take without N650 and N651. If they will let you take N653, however, I would jump all over it. It will free up huge volumes of time to clear IRB the following summer, which is one of the largest hurdles in the program for many students.

    Also, just a bit of inside info: On December 10, Dr. Short is releasing to the public our DNP cohorts capstone page containing all of the projects for our class. It's in Wiki format. At the bottom, after our individual projects, there are critical information from a student's perspective about top things we wish we would have known about entering the program from each and every member of our cohort. Very helpful stuff in there that will not only save you hundreds of hours of time, but also money and aggravation, too.

    Also, remember, you are permitted to transfer 6 credits in from other universities for your electives--so long as they are graduate level, from an accredited university, not part of your masters program for APN completion and are approved by the program director. Do double check this info with Dr. Turner or Eric, as things do change.
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    I agree. I will be finishing a DNP this spring and it was pretty much a total wasted of my time and money. If you want research, management, finance and such then you will enjoy it.. I would rather have more clinical education to enhance my skills, make me more competitive with the physicians.
    Various residencies would be perfect; ER, intensivist, oath etc
    Even better would make the first part of the DNP an FNP, then specialize into anesthesia, pees, womens health etc.

    Just my two cents

    Ron

    Quote from HumptyDumpty
    I think the DNP is a complete waste of time that will ultimately not matter in the real world. It will not suffice in helping your clinic practice at all unless they added clinical relevant course work to the degree... More theory and subjective classes are a joke and a waste peoples time and money. Why not just add a 1 year residency? That would be more beneficial then developing so called "leadership" skills.
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    This is about as unprofessional as I've seen.
    Her opinion is spot on.

    Ron

    Quote from Dr. Tammy, FNP/GNP-C
    I've noticed from your other posts that you are a new RN and nursing may not have been the best choice for you as evidenced by your comments of working with patients, particularly in the southern US.

    Perhaps after you have been a RN for more than year, get an idea of what it means to be a professional nurse, learn not to stereotype patients, then complete an advanced nursing degree, then attempt and even possibly complete a DNP program, you might have a different perspective on the DNP. Who knows---maybe at that time people might even care what you think.
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    Quote from nomadcrna
    I agree. I will be finishing a DNP this spring and it was pretty much a total wasted of my time and money. If you want research, management, finance and such then you will enjoy it.. I would rather have more clinical education to enhance my skills, make me more competitive with the physicians.
    Various residencies would be perfect; ER, intensivist, oath etc
    Even better would make the first part of the DNP an FNP, then specialize into anesthesia, pees, womens health etc.

    Just my two cents

    Ron
    I'm not sure I'm following your logic. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from your title, I presume you are a CRNA and you entered the DNP program as a CRNA, which means you were already certified as a clinical expert prior to going into the DNP program. Now, what you are saying is that you wish you had more clinical time and specifically clinical time outside of your area of expertise such as ER, womens health ect. within the DNP program. Were you made to believe that the DNP program was not a translation into practice program for previously established clinical experts?

    I'm curious. Did your DNP program purport that it would make you a clinical expert outside of your area of expertise? Did your DNP program indicate that you would have additional clinical training within your present, and certified area of clinical expertise as a CRNA? If you feel you did not have enough clinical hours for your specialize area, is this a concern for your DNP program or for your MSN-CRNA program?
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    Tammy, is there perhaps a more professional environment in which for us to discuss some of these details? I have a lot of questions, but weeding through this nonsense is wasting both of our time.
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    Quote from nomadcrna
    This is about as unprofessional as I've seen.
    Her opinion is spot on.

    Ron
    Perhaps you stated in more on point, regarding non-nurse practitioner commenting on advanced nursing practice on another post.

    Quote from nomadcrna
    That is just so ridiculous. Nurses truly are their own worst enemy. First off, why are non-nurse practitioners making decisions about advanced practice, no offense intended.
    Secondly, why do nurses seem to fight to hold other nurses back..
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    Actually, I'm dual boarded as an FNP and CRNA.
    Speaking from a CRNA perspective, a fellowship in pain, critical care, peds would be a nice start.
    From an FNP perspective, a fellowship in ER, orthopedics, critical care, hospitalist would all be nice starts.
    We really need to think outside the same box that we nurses have been stuck in for years. We need to step up to the plate and increase our basic education to better serve our patients and move our profession forward. You seem a bit defensive about the DNP. I'm all for it but the educators should listen to what the students want.
    Many, many advanced practice nurses echo what I am saying.

    Ron

    Quote from Dr. Tammy, FNP/GNP-C
    I'm not sure I'm following your logic. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from your title, I presume you are a CRNA and you entered the DNP program as a CRNA, which means you were already certified as a clinical expert prior to going into the DNP program. Now, what you are saying is that you wish you had more clinical time and specifically clinical time outside of your area of expertise such as ER, womens health ect. within the DNP program. Were you made to believe that the DNP program was not a translation into practice program for previously established clinical experts?

    I'm curious. Did your DNP program purport that it would make you a clinical expert outside of your area of expertise? Did your DNP program indicate that you would have additional clinical training within your present, and certified area of clinical expertise as a CRNA? If you feel you did not have enough clinical hours for your specialize area, is this a concern for your DNP program or for your MSN-CRNA program?
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    There is a difference in decisions regarding actual practice issues and what you would like YOUR education to encompass.
    It is ok to have different opinions but I'm at a loss about the nasty comments and defensive attitudes?
    Discussion about these issues is good, IMHO.

    Ron


    Quote from Dr. Tammy, FNP/GNP-C
    Perhaps you stated in more on point, regarding non-nurse practitioner commenting on advanced nursing practice on another post.
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    I'm in a DNP program now and will finish May '11.
    You could go straight in but I would say not if you plan to start working as a new NP at the same time. That first NP job is stressful.
    Look at the programs carefully. We were required to have more clinical hours in addition to the classroom time which was a bit strange being an NP already but I have learned from my clinical time. We were able to select clinical experiences in areas where we felt we needed more expertise. For instance, I spent time putting in IUDs and working in a free clinic where I learned more about community resources and funding. I also made sure I spent time with a radiologist.

    The finance classes were a bit rough but I can now hold my own in hospital management meetings. I didn't know how little I knew!
    I love learning and am glad I decided to pursue the degree. It's a LOT of time and work though.
    We have had some spirited discussions in class and I have gained faculty mentors so it's a win/win.


    T
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    Thanks for the input. I communicated with the director again, and was reassured it would be fine. I'm only planning on working PT anyway. Maybe 1, Hopefully 2, but not to exceed 3 days a week. That should leave me time for residency, fellowship and classwork. I hope. Worst case, Ill have to get a live in governess for the kidlets, lol.


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