Should the H1N1 Vaccine be mandatory for Healthcare Professionals? - page 8
This is a hot topic, so I thought I'd ask all your opinion of allnurses.com community. According a survey linked below, 87% of the public think we should? What do you as a healthcare provider... Read More
0Oct 23, '09 by TheSquire, MSN, RN, EMT-BDon't get me started about the stupidity with Thimerisol...
0Oct 23, '09 by Foley6How many times do we tell patients that they have the right to refuse medicine? Why shouldn't we have the same right? Nobody should mandate that you have to put something into your body that you do not approve of, especially something that is not 100% safe.
0Oct 24, '09 by lamazeteacherFoley:
Patients aren't your employees. They can refuse meds and go AMA.
You are an employee of your facility, and to maintain the position that pays your way, you have an obligation to do what you're told, as long as it doesn't conflict with your rules of licensure or endanger anyone.
If you endanger your patients by refusing immunization that gives you (and therefore your patients) protection from catching a lethal disease, that is not consistent with your employment (and your status as a health care professional).
What is clear, is that the vaccine is safer than the disease for 99% of people. What isn't clear, is why you think you can upend your employment, most probably cause infection for yourself and your coworkers, family, and patients, spreading a diosease that's already going like wildfire, and contradict your source of income, becoming a pariah to prove your point!
This is where your focus diverges from yourself, to others. That's called maturity.Last edit by lamazeteacher on Oct 24, '09 : Reason: clarity!
0Oct 24, '09 by lamazeteacher[quote=Peggyfaye;3931119]Pregnant women should not take the live virus nasal spray vaccine & they can request an immunization without the Thimerisol (mercury derivative ) in it.
So can you!
1Oct 24, '09 by Dragonnurse1I too do not feel that healthcare workers should be forced to be vaccinated. I worked with one nurse that got a flu shot years ago when our hospital recommended it. She spent 10 days in the hospital with 2 in ICU.
Individuals are and can be allergic to any part of the vaccine and since one of the versions uses a partial live virus why would anyone be willing to take the medication.
Let us decide, we know our bodies best.
1Oct 25, '09 by angelauspI'm not opposed to getting the vaccine, I just don't think that it is fair to be forced to get it. People have personal and even religious reasons for being opposed to vaccines in general, and in those cases other alternatives should be looked into.
0Quote from angelauspbut that's not you, right? luckily you don't hide behind a phobia or fabricate a religion being against the prevention of disease.i'm not opposed to getting the vaccine, then be the first to get the flu mist when it becomes available, unless you're traking care of an infant of under 6 months of age i just don't think that it is fair to be forced to get it.
here's the nasty truth: life, is not fair!! otherwise everyone who speeds down the road with you, above the speed limit would get a ticket, too.
people have personal and even religious reasons for being opposed to vaccines in general, and in those cases other alternatives should be looked into.
0Oct 26, '09 by bmp11I have an autoimmune/connective tissue disease and will NEVER get a flu shot - They contain Mercury and Aluminum anyway and who would put poison in their body knowingly? Why do so many elderly have Alzheimers? Because they are told and/or forced to take the flu shots! No one should ever be told by an employer what to
put into their body!
2Quote from bmp11You can ask your doctor for thimersol free vaccine. There's no aluminum in any vaccine about which I know .I have an autoimmune/connective tissue disease and will NEVER get a flu shot - They contain Mercury and Aluminum anyway and who would put poison in their body knowingly? Why do so many elderly have Alzheimers? Because they are told and/or forced to take the flu shots! No one should ever be told by an employer what to put into their body!
Are all your cooking pots and implements free of aluminum? What about antiperspirents?
Don't eat or buy prepared pies or other prevooked foods. They're all in aluminum pans, or have been cooked in them. Moderation isn't a bad idea, if you can tolerate small amounts. You might look up the excretion rate of aluminum from the body.....
I hope you see a rheumatologist, preferably at a university setting.Last edit by lamazeteacher on Oct 26, '09 : Reason: corrected typo
2Oct 26, '09 by seaspray700777I know I am just a pre-nursing student yet the posts I am reading has enlightened me to respond. I cant remember who said it but WHY is it just Healthcare workers, yes the greeter at walmart and oh my goodness any clerk at Wal-Mart or any large box store!! Do you know how many people they are in contact with!!! Yes, I realize that health care workers are in contact usually with people that may be more health comprimised but come on...
I havent heard this manatory for Dentists, Phamacists, etc. I wonder why? I will not get the H1N1 shot. My personal choice and living in America I hope this choice does not get taken away by greedy drug companies and overjealous socialists.:imbar P.S. Although I am not a chemist, I know that mercury is really not so great to the body along with whatever else is in the vaccine.
As a prenursing student, you might look up what other occupations are appropriate for you, with the subjects you already have.
By not taking the H1N1 vaccine (by injection, since you're over 49), you have demonstrated your willingness to infect others and compromise those pregnant women and their unborn babies with whom you occupy 10 square feet around them, when/if you incubate and suffer because of that virus. Playing the odds isn't appropriate with this virus. It's spreading faster than wildfire.
Since you distrust the government's source of preventive substances, you could hardly recommend medications to patients which their doctors want them use.... much less take them, yourself if you become ill. There is a lot we don't know about repercussions of untreated illnesses, but we do know that there are positive results of following treatment regimes - especially for diabetics.
I hope you will avail yourself of the H1N1 vaccine when it becomes available, if only to save others from getting the disease from you. That is the one sure way to tell if someone is suitable to be a professional working with others who are sick.
P.S. You may thank me some day, when you realise how much better suited you are to do some other kind of work.
0Oct 26, '09 by TheSquire, MSN, RN, EMT-BQuote from bmp11First, the Mercury in Thimerosol is Ethyl Mercury, which your kidney excretes with no undue side effects to you, the happy flu-shot recipient.I have an autoimmune/connective tissue disease and will NEVER get a flu shot - They contain Mercury and Aluminum anyway and who would put poison in their body knowingly? Why do so many elderly have Alzheimers? Because they are told and/or forced to take the flu shots! No one should ever be told by an employer what to
put into their body!
Secondly, if you're that scared of getting Aluminum in your system, I suppose you don't use it in any way during food preparation, either.
Lastly, I'm highly amused at your invoking Alzheimers. The big scare over Thimerosol used to be due to it's supposed connection to Autism. Thimerosol was yanked from childhood vaccines at the early part of this decade due to this unfounded scare, and yet the Autism rates remained unchanged. One wonders what the anti-vaccination crowd will link Thimerosol to after they run out of neurological diseases that begin with the letter 'A'.