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Wow, such paranoia. The problem that you fail to recognize is that you cannot "prove" that people getting the flu shot makes a difference unless you withold the flu shot for a time and see what happens. Even then there are too many variables. They can only take what is known and extrapolate it to various scenarios. Viruses are unpredictable and this method is all we have. "

You can tell if the flu shot makes a difference by using the scientific method, heard of it? And, when applied, it shows that the flu shot does not work. "The problem that you fail to recognize" is a very condescending lead in to a statement that is actually extremely incorrect. However, "They can only take what is known", is a profound statement, and what is known, is very little. We don't know the long term effects of having multiple vaccinations, year after year. I encourage you to visit the Cochrane database for actual science/evidence based information regarding this and other subjects.

kbrn2002, ADN, RN

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First do you trust that the person administering the shot used a long enough needle? The immediate burning, fast swelling/redness and hard lump at the injection site sounds like the vaccine didn't reach deep muscle tissue. Or considering that you developed hives later maybe you had an allergic reaction to some component of the vaccine. I would be very careful of getting the shot next year if that is the case.

kbrn2002, ADN, RN

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WOW! Sorry I hadn't read the full thread before my previous post. Sounds like the allergic reaction from hell! I sincerely hope you feel better soon.

tshores

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Many studies funded by pharmaceutical companies selling vaccines have "proved" that influenza vaccine is safe and effective. But independent reviews of those studies have found the opposite is true.

Studies are now showing what people who refuse to take flu shots have known for a long time: that flu shots simply do not work as advertised.

For example:

*Giving young children flu shots appeared to have no impact on flu-related doctor visits or hospitalizations during two recent flu seasons, according to a study published in the Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine.

*The flu vaccine is no more effective for children than a placebo, according to a large-scale, systematic review of 51 studies, published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews.

*NO studies have conclusively proven that flu shots prevent flu-related deaths among the elderly.

*A study published in the Lancet found that influenza vaccination was NOT associated with a reduced risk of pneumonia in older people.

*Research published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine also confirms that there has been no decrease in deaths from influenza and pneumonia, despite the fact that vaccination coverage among the elderly has increased from 15 percent in 1980 to 65 percent today.

One of your basic freedoms as a human being is your right to decide what you put into your own body.

Especially when it comes to medical risk-taking, there is a basic human right to be fully informed about all risks and have the ability to refuse to allow substances you consider to be harmful, toxic or poisonous to be forced upon you.

But are those of us who are trying to exercise our right to informed consent to medical risk-taking facing prejudice and discrimination?

When it comes to getting an education, keeping your job, or being allowed to obtain health insurance and medical care, the answer could soon be "yes

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"I have to chime in here because after all it is my thread. It got off topic, but here's my two cents. I get my flu shot every year, but I personally think it should be a choice.

Yes, I did sign up to be a health care professional, but no one told me by doing so I would be signing over the right to my body. If thats the case where does it end. Will they start dictating other aspects of my personal life. What about who you have sex with...you could get HIV, Herpes, etc etc. What you eat, if you drink, smoke etc. Certain things could lower your immune system making it more likely for you to catch things, and pass them on to patients. It could go on forever.

And frankly if they were that concerned about patient safety and health they would make other changes...

1. Allow us to stay out when we are sick...instead we have a strict call out policy, and are at risk of being fired if we miss very much. I don't see them too worried about patient heath here. I actually has stomach virus with vomiting, high fever etc at the beginning of the year. I was told to take Zofran because it wouldn't make me sleepy, and get to work. It seems they worried about the patient in the instance doesn't it?

2. Less patients, more nurses....this would certainly cut down on errors, and make things safer for every patient.

3. I work a 12 hour shift, plus have to be there 15 minutes early, and usually stay an hour late. You add drive time, and getting ready time, and I am up 19 hours with 5 hours sleep. If I do 3 in a row by 4am that 3rd night I am smashed. There have been countless studies about the long hours, and how its dangerous. Do they care about patient safety? My health??? NO!!!!

****When it comes down to it...They care about themselves, and their bottom line. Patient safety is a factor, but only as it directly affects the above stated. "

Nurses are just an easy target in the mass vaccine campaign. This has nothing to do with patient safety; this is about control. For those who don't see the writing on the wall, I'm sorry. I wish you were paying attention. Your government is about to regulate even our access to un-biased and real information. We won't be able to see anything they don't want us to anymore. Stay awake. Orwell was RIGHT.

CuriousMe

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Nurses are just an easy target in the mass vaccine campaign. This has nothing to do with patient safety; this is about control. For those who don't see the writing on the wall, I'm sorry. I wish you were paying attention. Your government is about to regulate even our access to un-biased and real information. We won't be able to see anything they don't want us to anymore. Stay awake. Orwell was RIGHT.

I hear there's a sale on tin foil at Walmart this week.....

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"I hear there's a sale on tin foil at Walmart this week....."

If you want to sign up to become a guinea pig, be my guest. I'll be right here with my tin foil hat saying "I told you so."

tshores

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I hear there's a sale on tin foil at Walmart this week.....

Maybe some people have the tin foil over their eyes...maybe they haven't read about how the CDC, FDA, WHO and the pharmaceutical companies are all interrelated, largely because of the financial ties of some of the key people in these groups.

The EU Health Committee:

"In order to promote their patented drugs and vaccines against flu, pharmaceutical companies have influenced scientists and official agencies, responsible for public health standards, to alarm governments worldwide," the motion says.

"They have made (governments) squander tight health care resources for inefficient vaccine strategies and needlessly exposed millions of healthy people to the risk of unknown side-effects of insufficiently tested vaccines.

The "birds-flu"-campaign (2005/06) combined with the "swine-flu"-campaign seem to have caused a great deal of damage not only to some vaccinated patients and to public health budgets, but also to the credibility and accountability of important international health agencies."

In the first quarter of 2010 alone, the US federal government representatives received $19 million per day from lobbyists, and over $1 billion in total lobbyist spending, a large chunk of the money coming from the health care sector.

Keep in mind, this is only federal lobbying efforts. This figure doesn't take into account the millions more spent lobbying at the state level, not to mention the cozy lobbying arrangements between the drug reps and individual doctors.

Why this massive lobbying push by the vaccine industry?

One of the reasons (certainly not the only one), is to influence vaccine mandates. The vaccine industry has a vested interest in (and continually spends big money on) trying to make sure that more vaccines and more doses are mandated by the government.

BMJ reported:

"The investigation by the BMJ/The Bureau reveals a system struggling to manage the inherent conflict between the pharmaceutical industry, WHO, and the global public health system, which all draw on the same pool of scientific experts.

Our investigation has identified key scientists involved in WHO pandemic planning who had declarable interests, some of whom are or have been funded by pharmaceutical firms that stood to gain from the guidance they were drafting.

Yet these interests have never been publicly disclosed by WHO and, despite repeated requests from the BMJ/The Bureau, WHO has failed to provide any details about whether such conflicts were declared by the relevant experts and what, if anything, was done about them.

It is this lack of transparency over conflicts of interests—coupled with a documented changing of the definition of a pandemic and unanswered questions over the evidence base for therapeutic interventions—that has led to the emergence of these conspiracies."

WHO for years had defined pandemics as outbreaks causing "enormous numbers of deaths and illness" but in early May 2009 it removed this phrase—describing a measure of severity—from the definition."

Now, all it takes to declare a pandemic is a virus that people have no immunity toward, which is spreading beyond borders.

In other words, it doesn't matter how many, or how few, people are affected. All a disease has to do to be a pandemic is move beyond a few countries' borders. Nice for whoever makes vaccines.

Did you catch that? People in the WHO had financial ties to the pharmaceutical companies and stood to gain endorsing the H1N1 vaccine. And if you read, you'll see how all those agencies are tied together just like that. It's not paranoia; those are facts. You'll see who works for the CDC now and used to work for the pharma companies, and so on. And lobbying to make more mandatory vaccines would be sweet indeed. You can blindly trust if you wish, but I choose not to. And when it affects me and my body, it should remain my choice, not theirs or yours.

I posted this in another thread, but since this one seems more lively, I'll post it here:

Bill Gates says the world's population should be reduced and that it can be done through vaccines, health care, and reproductive services. Hmmm. Apparently, its too many people around these days so they need to go and the ones that are here need to stopping having babies.

While this may be true to an extent, it still infringes on people's free will and to think that something we trust in can be used to reduce fertility rates and cause disease is scary. However, it part of the new plan. Please look up the Georgia Guidestones. I just found out about these things,as they aren't well known, but what they say will make you go "Now why would anyone say that?" The people who want to make a NWO, that's who. :devil: :barf02:

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Laidback Al

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The "birds-flu"-campaign (2005/06) combined with the "swine-flu"-campaign seem to have caused a great deal of damage not only to some vaccinated patients and to public health budgets, but also to the credibility and accountability of important international health agencies." . . .

About 6 out of every 10 people who contracted H5N1 (bird flu) have died. All of the conspiracy coconspirators here better hope that it never reassorts to become easily transmissible. If it does become transmissible and the CFR doesn't decline to seasonal flu rates, we will all be mourning the deaths of family, friends, and neighbors.

The last time I checked tin-foil hats don't protect against pandemic viruses - but a vaccination might.

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"The last time I checked tin-foil hats don't protect against pandemic viruses - but a vaccination might. "

Cute. I'm sorry but the pro-vaccintion folks haven't done their research. If more people actually paid attention to anything more than the party line, this country wouldn't be in half the mess it's in.

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