Reasons for Flu Vaccine Reluctancy - page 4

Hello, I'm a pre-nursing student who has a few questions about influenza vaccination for a class assignment. What are the reasons for reluctancy of receiving the influenza vaccination by nurses... Read More

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    Quote from larryh
    Indigo Girl..
    Short answer to your question: I don't know where you would go to find that information.
    Longer answer, if I had the time and the desire, I would:
    1. Contact CBS, ask for the transcripts of that particular 60 minutes, including any references, if available. They might or might not have information going back that far, but that would be where I would start. Might be able to get knowledge of what sources they got their information from. I've actually done this before, and you might be surprised what you would get. Of course, we are still talking about an show from
    2. Barring that, find a good Medical Library (brick and mortar or on-line) that will let you query their indexes (Medline search or similar). Take some time researching, I would bet that 60 minutes got the information right from some article in NEJM or something like that. Its back there somewhere, probably on microfiche, hopefully scanned to computer format, but who knows?)

    Would be nice if stuff from 25 to 30 years ago could all just be Googled, but that's probably going to take awhile.
    Sorry I couldn't be more help!
    Here is one article referencing X53, X53A from 1977.

    Correlation of Laboratory Studies with Clinical Responses to A/New Jersey Influenza Vaccines
    Francis A. Ennis, Ronald E. Mayner, David W. Barry, Jody E. Manischewitz, Ruth C. Dunlap, Martha W. Verbonitz, F. Marilyn Bozeman and Geoffrey C. Schild
    The Journal of Infectious Diseases, Vol. 136, Supplement. Clinical Studies of Influenza Vaccines: 1976 (Dec., 1977), pp. S397-S406
    (article consists of 10 pages)
    Published by: The University of Chicago Press

    Stable URL:

    Abstract The large, uniformly performed clinical investigations with influenza A/New Jersey vaccines provided an opportunity to correlate results of laboratory tests of vaccines with human reactivity and antibody responses. These vaccines were given to large numbers of subjects under code, and significant differences in immunogenicity and reactivity were observed in unprimed individuals. A single, relatively large dose of intact virus was more immunogenic and reactive than split-virus vaccines in unprimed subjects. Differences in immunogenicity and reactivity in unprimed subjects correlated with the amount of intact virus in the vaccines (measured by column chromatography or electron microscopy) and with the amount of viral hemagglutinin in the vaccine (measured by immunodiffusion), but not with the number of chick cell-agglutinating units.

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    I know this is an old post... but just signed up and have been researching this for the past year.
    Here is the journal article that shows swine flu reassortment from X53 to X53A
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    I got the seasonal flu shot last year. No problems minus a mild yucky feeling symptoms. Then I got the H1N1 shot. HORRIBLE nerve pain in that arm that cost me a lot of money in MD bills and missing work. It started a few days after I got the shot.
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    Quote from NeoNurseTX
    I got the seasonal flu shot last year. No problems minus a mild yucky feeling symptoms. Then I got the H1N1 shot. HORRIBLE nerve pain in that arm that cost me a lot of money in MD bills and missing work. It started a few days after I got the shot.
    How about this year's flu shot. Have you gotten it? Did it make you sick again?
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    Quote from Laidback Al
    How about this year's flu shot. Have you gotten it? Did it make you sick again?
    I'm not going to find out!!
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    Quote from Kimberly111-13
    Hello, I'm a pre-nursing student who has a few questions about influenza vaccination for a class assignment.

    What are the reasons for reluctancy of receiving the influenza vaccination by nurses and nurse assistants?

    Would it be helpful if the healthcare facility provided an educational influenza vaccine program that addressed these issues so that well-informed, evidence-based choices can be made by these healthcare workers?

    If a healthcare facility provided a positive incentive to receive the influenza vaccination, would that influence your decision?

    Thank you for your time,
    Hi Kimberly,
    Came across this article today:
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    I don't know about that article. Sound kind of flimsy. They don't give any sources at all for what they claim has happened.

    Narcolepsy? 6 cases in France and some cases in Sweden and Finland out of 6 million vaccinated without side effects with Pandemrix, and no real proven link yet. Actually, sounds pretty safe from this side effect. No cases in the US or elsewhere that I am aware of.

    Europe Probes Swine Flu Shot, Narcolepsy Link - CBS News

    One particular vaccine used in Australia may have caused fevers and possible convulsions in some kids under 5 there, but the other vaccines used there did not, and no where else that I am aware of. Understandably, parents are nervous about this, but no other swine flu vax has had this reported side effect, only CSL.

    Australia blames a flu vaccine for child convulsions - health - 04 October 2010 - New Scientist

    GBS cases? Where are they? The following is the only one that might possibly be associated with the swine flu vax that I could find. Where are the others?

    GBS a Side Effect of H1N1 Vaccine? - The Early Show - CBS News
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    I don't get it, and won't get it- ever.

    It's my body, my choice, and I feel that God gave me an immune system for a reason and I don't want to mess around with it anymore that I have to.
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    Hi Everyone,
    Just received this and thought I'd share. It is the most comprehensive list of books on the subject of vaccine safety that I've ever seen.

    1.A Century Of Vaccination And What It Teaches, by W. Scott Tebb, M.M.A., M.D.
    2.A Criminal Consequence of Vaccine Injury: Misdiagnosed Shaken Baby Syndrome, by Alan G. Phillips, Esq.
    3.A Shot in the Dark, by Harris L. Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher
    4.A Stolen Life, by Marge Grant
    5.Adverse Events Associated With Childhood Vaccines: Evidence Bearing on Causality ,by Kathleen R. Stratton, Ph.D., Cynthia J. Howe
    6.AIDS And the Doctors of Death: An Inquiry into the Origin of the AIDS Epidemic, by Alan Cantwell, M.D.
    7.AIDS, the Mystery and the Solution, by Alan Cantwell, M.D.
    8.Anthrax a Deadly Shot in the Dark: Unmasking the Truth Behind a Hazardous Vaccine, by Lt. Col. Thomas S. Heemsra
    9.Behavioral Problems in Childhood: The Link to Vaccination, by Viera Scheibner, Ph.D.
    10.Bodily Matters: The Anti-Vaccination Movement in England 1853-1907, by Nadja Durbach, Ph.D., M.A., B.A.
    11.Changing the Course of Autism, by Bryan Jepson, M.D.
    12.Children With Starving Brains, by Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D.
    13.Confessions of a Medical Heretic, by Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D.
    14.Dangers of Compulsory Immunizations: How to Avoid Them Legally, by Tom Finn, Esq.
    15.Detoxify Or Die, by Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.
    16.Dissent in Medicine: Nine Doctors Speak Out, by Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D.
    17.Don't Vaccinate Before You Educate, by Mayer Eisenstein M.D., J.D., M.P.H.
    18.Dr. Mary's Monkey: How the Unsolved Murder of a Doctor, a Secret Laboratory in New Orleans and Cancer-Causing Monkey Viruses are Linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, ... Assassination and Emerging Global Epidemics, by Edward T. Haslam
    19.Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola: Nature, Accident or Intentional?, by Leonard Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H.
    20.Every Second Child, by Archie Kalkoerinos, M.D., M.B.B.S., F.A.P.M.
    21.Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines, by Stephen Cummings, M.D.
    22.Evidence of Harm, by David Kirby
    23.Fear of the Invisible, by Janine Roberts
    24.Fowl! Bird Flu: It's Not What You Think, by Sherri Tenpenny, D.O.
    25.Germs, Biological Warfare, Vaccinations: What you Need to Know, by Gary Null, Ph.D.
    26.Horrors of Vaccination Exposed and Illustratedby Chas. M. Higgins, M.D.
    27.How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor, by Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D.
    28.ICD-999 Vaccine Induced Diseases: The Chronic Serum Sickness Postulate, by Patrick Jordan
    29.Immunization Dice, by Michael J. Brody, Ph.D.
    30.Immunization: The Reality Behind the Myth, by Walene James
    31.Immunizations: The Terrible Risks Your Children Face That Your Doctor Won't Reveal, by Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D.
    32.Impossible Cure: The Promise of Homeopathy, by Amy Lansky, Ph.D.
    33.Inoculation Dangers to Travelers, etc., by Maurice Beddow Bayly, M.R.C.S., L.R.C.P.
    34.Inside the FDA: The Business and Politics Behind the Drugs We Take and the Food We Eat, by Fran Hawthorne
    35.Jabs, Jenner and Juggernauts, by Jenny Craig
    36.Just a Little Prick, by Peter and Hilary Butler
    37.Leicester: SANITATION versus VACCINATION, by J.T. Biggs
    38.Lethal Injections Why Immunizations Don't Work and the Damage they Cause, by William Douglass, M.D.
    39.Medicine On Trial, by Charles B. Inlander, Lowell S. Levine, Ed Weinter
    40.Mercury: The Winged Messenger, by Courtney L. Zietzke
    41.On the Take: How Medicine's Complicity with Big Business Can Endanger Your Health, by Jerome Kassirer, M.D.
    42.Out of Silence: An Autistic Boy's Journey into Language and Communication, by Russell Martin
    43.Pasteur, Plagiarist, Impostor! The Germ Theory Exploded!, by R. B. Pearson
    44.Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plt, by Alan Cantwell, M.D.
    45.Racketeering in Medicine: The Suppression of Alternatives, by James P. Carter, M.D.
    46.Raising a Vaccine Free Child, by Wendy Lydall
    47.Saying No to Vaccines: A Resource Guide For All Ages, by Sherri Tenpenny, D.O.
    48.Science in the Private Interest: Has the Lure of Profits Corrupted Biomedical Research?, by ZSheldon Krimsky, M.S., Ph.D.
    49.Science, Money and Politics: Political Triumph and Ethical Erosion, by Daniel S. Greenberg
    50.Selling Sickness: How the World's Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies Are Turning Us All Into Patients, by Ray Moynihan and Alan Cassells
    51.Shaken Baby Syndrome Diagnosis on Shaky Ground, by Viera Scheibner, Ph.D.
    52.Silenced Witnesses: v.II: The Parents Story: The Denial of Vaccine Damage by Government, Corporations and the Media
    53.Some Call it AIDS: I Call it Murder, The Connection Between Cancer, AIDS, Immunizations, and Genocide, by Eva Snead M.D.
    54.State of Immunity: The Politics of Vaccination in Twentieth Century America, by James Colegrove, Ph.D., M.P.H.
    55.Swine Flu Exposed, by Eleanore McBean, Ph.D., N.D.
    56.Terror of Pediatric Medicine, by Mark Sircus, Ac., O.M.D.
    57.The Authoritative Guide to Vaccine Legal Exemptions, by Alan G. Phillips, Esq.
    58.The Case Against Vaccination, by Walter Hadwen, J.P., M.D., L.R.C.p., M.R.C.S., L.S.A.
    59.The Chickenpox Vaccine: A new epidemic of disease and corruption, by Mark Orrin and Gary S. Goldman, Ph.D.
    60.The Decline of Tuberculosis Despite "Protective" Vaccination, by Gerhard Buchwald, M.D.
    61.The Fraud of Vaccination, by Walter Hadwen, J.P., M.D., L.R.C.P., M.R.C.S., L.S.A.
    62.The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed, by Mike Adams
    63.The Hidden Dangers in Polio Vaccine, by Eleanor McBean, Ph.D., N.D.
    64.The Immunisation Decision, by Randall Neustaedter, O.M.D.
    65.The Immunization Resource Guide: Where to Find Answers to All Your Questions About Childhood Vaccinations, by Diane Rozario
    66.The Infant Survival Guide: Protecting Your Baby from the Dangers of Crib Death, Vaccines and Other Environmental Hazards, by Lendon H. Smith, M.D.
    67.The Medical Mafia: How to Get Out of It Alive and Take Back Our Health and Wealth, by Guylaine Lanctot, M.D.
    68.The Poisoned Needle: Suppressed Facts about Vaccination, by Eleanor McBean, Ph.D., N.D.
    69.The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination is Not Immunization, by Tim O'Shea, D.C.
    70.The Story of The Salk Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccine, by Maurice Beddow Bayly, M.R.C.S., L.R.C.P.
    71.The Trial of The Medical Mafia, by Joachim Schafer
    72.The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It, by Marcia Angell, M.D.
    73.The Vaccination Connection, by Sue Marston
    74.The Vaccination Nonsense, by Gerhard Buchwald, M.D.
    75.The Vaccination Problem, by Joseph Swan
    76.The Vaccine Guide: Making an Informed Choice , by Randall Neustaedter, O.M.D.
    77.The Virus and the Vaccine: The True Story of A Cancer-Causing Monkey Virus, Contaminated Polio Vaccines, and the Millions of Americans Exposed, by Debbie Bookchin and Jim Schumacher
    78.Universal Immunization: Medical Miracle or Masterful Mirage, by Raymond Obomsawin, Ph.D.
    79.Vaccine-Free Prevention and Treatment with Homeopathy, by Jeffrey J. Starre, M.D.
    80.Vaccines: The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices, a Resource Guide for Parents, by Sherri Tenpenny, D.O.
    81.Vaccines: Vital or Vulnerable, by Archie Kalokerinos, M.D., M.B.B.S., F.A.P.M., Glen Dettman, A.M.M., B.A., Ph.D., F.A.P.M.
    82.Vaccination: 100 Years of Orthodox Research Shows Vaccinations are a Medical Assault on the Immune System, by Viera Scheibner, Ph.D.
    83.Vaccination- A Business Based on Fear, by Gerhard Buchwald, M.D.
    84.Vaccination- A Fatal Error, by Bronwyn Hancock, B.S., Cert. Nutr.
    85.Vaccination- A Parent's Dilemma, by Greg Beattie
    86.Vaccination and Behavioral Disorders: a review of the controversy, by Greg Wilson
    87.Vaccinations & Immunization: Dangers, Delusions and Alternatives, by Leon Chaitow, D.O., N.D.
    88.Vaccination, Social Violence and Criminality, the Medical Assault on the American Brain, by Harris L. Coulter, Ph.D.
    89.Vaccination: The Cruel Deception, by Christian Borleis
    90.Vaccination: "The Hidden" Facts, by Ian Sinclair, Dipl. Nutr.
    91.Vaccination is not Immunization by Tim O'Shea DC (formerly titled The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination is not Immunization)
    92.Vaccination The Silent Killer: A Clear And Present Danger, by Ida Honorof, Eleanor McBean, PhD., N.D.
    93.Vaccinations: Deception & Tragedy, by Michael Dye
    94.Vaccinations: The Issue of Our Times, by Peggy O'Mara
    95.Vaccinations: The Rest of the Story, by Peggy O'Mara
    96.Vaccinations: The Untold Truth, by Yves DeLatte
    97.Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers-And Why GIs Are Only the First Victims, by Gary Matsumoto
    98.Vaccine Safety Manual for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners, by Neil Z. Miller
    99.Vaccines: An Ounce of Prevention? Or a Pound of Death?, by Keidi Obi Awadu
    100.Vaccines Are Dangerous: A Warning to the Black Community, by Yoshua Barak
    101.Vaccines Are Dangerous: A Warning to the Global Community 2nd Edtion, by Curtis Cost
    102.Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective, by Neil Z. Miller
    103.What About Immunizations? Exposing the Vaccine Philosophy, by Cynthia Cournoyer
    104.What Every Parent Should Know About Childhood Immunizations, by Jamie Murphy
    105.What The Pharmaceutical Companies Don't Want You To Know About Vaccines, by Todd Elsner, D.C.
    106.What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations, by Stephanie Cave, M.D. F.A.A.F.P.
    107.When Your Doctor Is Wrong, Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism, by Judy Converse, M.P.H., R.D.
    108.White Lies: A Tale of Babies, Vaccines, and Deception, by Sarah Collins Honenberger, J.D.
    109.Your Personal Guide to Immunization Exemptions, by Grace Girdwain
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    Since it appears that many who are objecting to the use of vaccinations were born and vaccinated after many came into being, I thought I share some of my nursing experience with you all. I started my career in the mid 60's. I remember the yearly outbreak of childhood diseases and the complications that occurred. While most children did not suffer these complications,enough did and bore the long term consequences of these complications.

    Polio Longterm/life time paralysis.
    Mumps Lose of fertility, deafness,encephalitis
    Measles Shingles, encephalitis
    Chicken pox Secondary infection

    There are other complications, which have slipped my mind, but I do recall, as a youngster children being terrible ill from childhood disease. And having a friend or two who suffered the long term consequences.

    Over the years I have followed and looked into, claims by those against childhood vaccinations. There have been scientifically based studies that have reached the conclusion that these vaccination are not the cause of autism. Or that 'live' vaccinations actually cause the individual to suffer from the disease. And those who state they got the 'flu shot'and then got the flu, you didn't. The illness one gets following a flu vaccination is not the flu. The flu actually is a very serious illness. It is much more then just vomiting and having diarrhea. And the complications, including pneumonia,do kill., especially in the young and elderly.

    Everyone has the right to refuse to get vaccinations. But the rest of us have the right to be protected from those that refuse. If it means isolating you or restricting your ability to work, that goes with your exercising your 'right'. Every vaccination and drug has side effects. But I would hate to go back to the days when the only thing available was the smallpox vaccination. Given the ease that one can travel, one can spread disease much easier.

    For those that refuse various vaccinations, for themselves or their children, I pray you donot get any of these illness. And if you do, I pray that I don't come in contact with you, I don't want to take the chance of getting sick. I suffer from several chronic disease and am quite careful about exposures. I even call to check before going to visit them. This granny doesn't take chances


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