WHY SHOULD THEY GET MEDICAL CARE/ free - page 3

This is a loaded question.... Here is the question that has been asked since I have been working for corrections. What is your response to those who were annoyed about medical care for the IM.... Read More

  1. by   SuesquatchRN
    I simply don't support throwing people into a pit for the length of their sentence and letting them rot.
  2. by   RN1989
    Mercy, I understand your frustrations with our society. My family went without health insurance for many years even though I was working 4-5 12/s a week.

    Our society as a whole is exactly like the state of healthcare. We get more and more regulations on how we should be giving better healthcare to our patients but this doesn't fix the problem. We should be addressing the lack of education/training, adequate staffing, etc. to get to the root of the problem. We would eliminate many of the problems without all the busywork. The same is true of our society. We should be educating people on money management, on preventive healthcare, giving them training for job skills, helping them with their physical and mental health needs, teaching them what is the proper way to interact with others. Were we to do this - the number of persons incarcerated as well as getting public assistance would be dramatically reduced. If everyone thought of others first instead of themselves, the greed of business would be reduced so that everyone would have at least the basic things that we now consider necessities. But then again, need is much different than want. You CAN live without electricity. It isn't fun but it is possible. Our ancestors lived without electricity and running water much longer than we have had that luxury. Many people in prisons aren't allowed the luxury of toilet paper or air conditioning or heating. Something we all take for granted.

    I claim the Bible promises that say that if I return money to God and help to care for others, God will give me everything that I need. Need, not want - there is a difference. And although I get irritated with persons that take my tax dollars because they can't afford to see a doc because they have a fancy car payment, I know that I truly have what I need to live and survive in this world. I don't need a pretty car, I just need one that gets me to work. My house isn't fancy and is falling apart, but there are others who live in the alleys of our cities under homes of cardboard and tarps. If the general public would take a look around, many of the incarcerated and the homeless were once just like them. But circumstances went crazy, things spiralled out of control, and they found themselves in a bigger mess than they could handle.

    Everyone decries racial prejudice and prejudice against handicapped persons, but no one thinks about those socially acceptable prejudices against the poor, the imprisoned, the new grad nurse that hasn't mastered the skills of a 20 year veteran nurse or the person that is just "different" (think mobbing like some of the threads on the forum). Just because it is the accepted norm to be biased against these groups does not make it right.

    Unfortunately I do not see things getting any better on a global scale. I believe that the times reflect the Bible's teaching - people will become more evil and not know it. They will be selfish and unthinking and not realize that they are the part of the creeping compromise. I know that I must do my part as Jesus has admonished. And boy is it hard somedays not to fall in with the crowd - especially if the situation does not affect you directly. I cannot wait for the day that sin is abolished and we can all live in Heaven as the unselfish, caring people that we were intended to be.
  3. by   RN.38SPCL
    Wow, sure is alot of anger on this subject. I would think in every industry, nursing or otherwise, there are frustrations and humor that developes from those frustrations. That humor may not be funny to all, but is just a way to vent or cope. This started out to be about how you respond to others who have a problem with prisoners getting free healthcare. By The Way, How's My Font?
  4. by   onlyhope
    Quote from RN.38SPCL
    By The Way, How's My Font?

    better!
  5. by   tirzo13
    Why should they get free medical care?

    because they are wards of the state, the state has to provide for them, as they are unable to provide for themself.

    No matter what crime they did, i'm not there judge, jury or executioner, i'm simply there nurse doing what i was trained to do.
    Provided medical care is one of the things that sets us apart from the rest of the world.
    Other countries convict our americans over sees, we go crazy when we see how they treat our citizens.
    If we don't provide medical care, then they will sue us.
    All the prisoner's silly lawsuits is another problem.
  6. by   Truegem
    The LIBERAL media almost always portrays the poor inmate who couldn't get medical care. But they never portray them as the manipulators and liars and as wasting tax dollars with frivolous or twisted schemes. I'm convinced that they take a medicine that was given to them in error on PURPOSE in hopes that they will get sick so they can sue! You ask them "why did you take it if it didn't look like the medicine you usually take?" and they have a half-assed reply. (Not that we have a ton of med errors, but they do occur.)
    So, sure, people do deserve medical care, but it's the ones that abuse it that annoy us all. And that is a huge percentage of them. Come on, even you and I have faked illness for one reason or another. (Calling in sick when not sick.) It's just the cost and the constant attempts at manipulation that get soooo old! Even though I am not personally responsible for the cost, it reeeeally bugs me! They may think they are only one person making a false claim, but they don't realize it adds up to millions of dollars!
  7. by   Truegem
    Oh and OF COURSE they should get medical care for free. For all of the reasons that have been stated. For those of you who are acting like this was a stupid question, you might need to know, I think it was a hypothetical question. And I think it has created some very interesting discussion.
  8. by   Nrsndlz1
    Well because it is their constitutional right. But, is it right? That is a forever debatable question. It is frustrating to see those that truly need or deserve free medical care and do not receive it versus inmates who do get free medical care. Not all inmates in every state receive free medical care at the county jail level.
  9. by   Weeping Willow
    I think we can and should limit inmates' medical care. They should certainly receive basic care (food, clothing, some medical care) but it need not be top cut beef, Old Navy, or absolutely marvelous medical care. Paying patients don't get that. Inmates don't have to have it, either. We need to be decent and courteous but we don't have to give them the Ritz. I have seen where anyone who wanted it could get a "cold set up", that is, Tylenol and Sudafed, at sick call 5 days per week - whether they needed it or not. When it was cut out due to budget, our workload decreased and the cost was more manageable and those who really needed it could and did still get it.

    Bandaids were reserved only for open wounds and areas that needed padding. And it was the nurse's call, not the inmate's say so.

    Our doc was ordered to start using her I&D skills, her pelvic exam skills, her derm and ENT skills, etc. We started doing ECG's in house, rather than at County hospital or private contracted hospital. Someone has to pay for everythig. We even started charging inmates $1 to see the doc. If they didn't have it, they were put to work and/or their families paid it before they got to visit with them next visiting day. Everyone always managed to fork over a buck.
  10. by   MadisonsMomRN
    I agree with the fact that they deserve basic medical care. What I hate is when they make it definitely know that they are entitled. They come to medical crying wolf with chest pain or vomiting... so we house them in medical for observation. Many inmates hate it. ( this is at the county jail I work at) Our jail charges $4 a visit for sick calls. Physicals are free. US Marshalls and INS pay $0 for everything. We do almost everything inhouse... ekg's, pelvics, I&D's etc. The pregnant ones do go out for ob appts.

    Recently, we took ALL narcs including methadone out. They get nothing. We stock Tylenol 3 and thats it. If they are ordered T3 they must be housed in medical to receive it. We have Serax and Librium for alcohol detox. We do stock haldol, congentin, benadryl, and ativan IM for the extremely combative or psych patients. I don't know how many heroin addicts come in and ask for methadone. Nope... not this time. We monitor them thats all.
  11. by   RN.38SPCL
    Quote from MadisonsMomRN
    I agree with the fact that they deserve basic medical care. What I hate is when they make it definitely know that they are entitled. They come to medical crying wolf with chest pain or vomiting... so we house them in medical for observation. Many inmates hate it. ( this is at the county jail I work at) Our jail charges $4 a visit for sick calls. Physicals are free. US Marshalls and INS pay $0 for everything. We do almost everything inhouse... ekg's, pelvics, I&D's etc. The pregnant ones do go out for ob appts.

    Recently, we took ALL narcs including methadone out. They get nothing. We stock Tylenol 3 and thats it. If they are ordered T3 they must be housed in medical to receive it. We have Serax and Librium for alcohol detox. We do stock haldol, congentin, benadryl, and ativan IM for the extremely combative or psych patients. I don't know how many heroin addicts come in and ask for methadone. Nope... not this time. We monitor them thats all.
    Funny how stunned the inmates are when taught the difference between wants and needs in medical care. Since incarceration is not part of the service industry, comfort is not an issue that has to be addressed. You are supposed to be uncomfortable in jail. That's the whole point the judge tries to get accross. Medical care has become so service oriented on the outside that the general public truly doesn't know.
  12. by   Blackcat99
    I use to work at the jail and the new inmates would tell me they haven't taken any of their B/P meds on the outside for 3 months. Of course, once we would get the new inmates they would immediately become very angry and demand that they get their B/P pills right away-stat.
  13. by   RN.38SPCL
    Quote from Blackcat99
    I use to work at the jail and the new inmates would tell me they haven't taken any of their B/P meds on the outside for 3 months. Of course, once we would get the new inmates they would immediately become very angry and demand that they get their B/P pills right away-stat.
    Exactly!! I hate that. I just had a female who came in and needed meds. the day after I refill for her, someone bonded her out. The thing that burns me is you can't not get their meds for them. If you call their FP and they have a diagnosis to support the med, you have no choice. But I do tell the inmates this, " You chose not to take your meds, I don't care what yoour reason is, so if you get sick before I can track down your doctor, it's your fault, not mine." I have a morbidly obese male right now who was involved in a high speed chase, cocaine possession. Obviously he was only selling. Anyway, he threatens to sue me because I refused to clip his toenails for him and gave him the clippers. He's mad because I would't get him a reacher so he wouldn't have to bend over to pick up things. Please!

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