Top 10 Reasons Against Unions - page 19

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top ten reasons why we don't want a union 10. the union doesn't write my paycheck. 9. unions would rather cause problems than work together. 8. union scale means the best workers are carrying the worst. 7. the... Read More


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    Crumbs, they throw at your feet.

    If there are any RNs at Orlando Health reading this thread, don't give up! See how standing together can make things change!!
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    I wonder what the OPs true agenda is. Anyone with half a brain knows that unions do far more good than bad for employees.
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    Not to offend but I ardently disagree with your assertions and I know you are speaking out od fear and ignorance. Here is why:

    1. the union doesn't write my paycheck.
    No, they don't, they fight for your right to make a decent pay check, not be laid off when execs want to slash the budget an make you responsible for 14 patients instead of 7 ( this may not be the case of some RN's, but for others it is). Unions protect your pension and make sure you are not treated like a dog by drawing attention to the meaningful work that all nurses do.

    9. unions would rather cause problems than work together.
    Saying that unions "cause problems" is a blanket statement that only means that you are to cowardly to value yourself and your craft enough to ensure that in the future (perhaps you have a difficult time with anything that is not now), patients survival rates will increase when union demand that Foreign nurses do not take our jobs and work as scabs, an that a reasonable ratio of nurses to patients is LAW not treating patients like fast food patties, and becoming pegged as a rude B***h, and possibly brought up on criminal neglect charges, because you are so over whelmed. That, is what Unions lobby for, which you call making trouble. TBH I find most of your post defeatist and sycophantic at the same time.

    8. union scale means the best workers are carrying the worst.
    This is total BS and I'm sure you count your self as a BEST which is rubbish. We all went through nursing school and did clinicals and passed NCLEX; So who exactly are you judging as inferior if all of these accomplishments have been met? If you see an other nurse who needs help learning something new and you can help why wouldn't you. What you are saying shows a huge lapse in moral character and aids no one, with exception to your asinine ego. Drop it already. I am assuming you are referring to new RN's so lets be less cliche and NOT rat our young. You have a really bad attitude and entitlement issues. I don't believe and nurses will prosper if they are anything like you which a good 30% are sad to say.

    7. the people who want a union really need one.
    If they need some thing why begrudge them of it. Honestly All nurses need a union including you because nothing is going to get better and if you think you are okay today, your assumption that later will be different is a very shortsighted and wrong attitude.
    Are you saying abused nurses should have no way of attempting to better their situations? Why can't they have one and why can't your support and advocacy unless it gives you a sense of superiority to look down at other nurses which I sense is exactly the attitude in play here.

    6. too corrupt.

    Another BS assertion. Unions have been working for 100 years and because members of the trade are so closely involved that Corruption is easily checked simply by creating a union frame work modeled after a union that has been successful, Yet Again I'm dealing with a defeatist, who has already lost the battle and the war and likes it that way.

    5. too political, too liberal and too partisan.
    Really? This blows my mind, and again reverts to the defeatist attitude. Having a functional non insane workplace where the nurses are well educated, do not false chart, have a manageable patient load (and no, I don't give a crap if you are speed lightning and have taken care of twenty patients single handedly, b/c what you are doing is putting your ego before the big picture: EVERY patients health under your care. Or do you care? Politics is everywhere and if you want change things the rules must change, Even if you think the party in power isn't your favorite. Grow up already and realize only meeting constructive goals matters which mean SPEAKING UP about what is wrong with the system and figuring out how to fix it.

    4. unions are only about power and money for the ones who run the union.

    More ********. Wall Street took your money and ran, not a union. Yes the people doing the most time consuming work will be paid more but even then the workers say moves the union and nothing else which is why it is your best bet at fair treatment in a deteriorated workplace.

    3. unions are negative about everything but how great they are.
    I'm not sure what union left you with that chip on your shoulder but i'm simple going to tell you that you are wrong.

    2. i like to work steady.

    I'll bet, because you have no imagination or vision whatsoever and taking time out to assert that nurses demands are valid and we have been legally overlooked, while even worker in department stores take a mandatory hour long break with 15min/4hr. If you wanted you could do jumping jack on that time, but as for you getting bored and not allowing others to fight for better pay and working conditions is just darn selfish, and you know it. Working steady isn't an option for per diem RN or Homehealth nurses who are used and have NO benifits.

    1. I've got too much self respect.
    Sorry princess but all you have is pigheaded pride. So, not standing up to assure that Americans have first pick at all American jobs in nursing jobs, instead of foreign scabs who work for nothing and cheapen our trade. aren't brought in, Ensuring the wages made match the increase in cost of living, and that the nurse patient ratio is satisfactory to ensure less mistakes are make. That EVERY nurse has the option of either 8 or 12 hour shifts with OSHA mandated breaks and a competent nurser to assure that the patients are looked after while other RN's are on break. I'm going to tell you what you really have and it is not self respect, it is denial, delusion and arrogance. Period.

    I know I'll get flamed for this but so many like minded nurses who think if it isn't their problem the do not have to show concern. Many nurses think in this ass-backwards way and then wonder why we have chronic back problems, Jobs go to people who barely speak English, an new grads in America have 43% unemployment & after 6months past passing Nclex are still jobless. But this 'person' couldn't care, because she's fine with the statuesque. Screw patients and burned out over worked RNs.

    The American middle class is dying, but the only people fighting that I've seen are the unions, who preserve workers rights and I don't even think this person is a nurse. I think a troll or propaganda con, or just an older b***h with a cushy life, would couldn't give a ...
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Sep 22, '13 : Reason: spacing
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    I said the same thing.
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    That's the way.....insult those with whom you disagree. Not everyone is on the "union train" so to say. The OP is a nurse, an advanced practice rn. Not everybody has to agree but lets be civil about it. Thanks
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    I thought it was very civil and enlightening. Not everyone is going through a wonderful experience right now and it's causing some heat only because it has been happening for a long time. So if it helps, please excuse the frustration of it all. One may argue that statement of OP was insensitive and inflammatory too in light on current situations for some RNs and some APRN's.
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    Quote from DoloresMaryHart
    Not to offend but I ardently disagree with your assertions and I know you are speaking out od fear and ignorance. Here is why:

    1. the union doesn't write my paycheck.
    No, they don't, they fight for your right to make a decent pay check, not be laid off when execs want to slash the budget an make you responsible for 14 patients instead of 7 ( this may not be the case of some RN's, but for others it is). Unions protect your pension and make sure you are not treated like a dog by drawing attention to the meaningful work that all nurses do.

    9. unions would rather cause problems than work together.
    Saying that unions "cause problems" is a blanket statement that only means that you are to cowardly to value yourself and your craft enough to ensure that in the future (perhaps you have a difficult time with anything that is not now), patients survival rates will increase when union demand that Foreign nurses do not take our jobs and work as scabs, an that a reasonable ratio of nurses to patients is LAW not treating patients like fast food patties, and becoming pegged as a rude B***h, and possibly brought up on criminal neglect charges, because you are so over whelmed. That, is what Unions lobby for, which you call making trouble. TBH I find most of your post defeatist and sycophantic at the same time.

    8. union scale means the best workers are carrying the worst.
    This is total BS and I'm sure you count your self as a BEST which is rubbish. We all went through nursing school and did clinicals and passed NCLEX; So who exactly are you judging as inferior if all of these accomplishments have been met? If you see an other nurse who needs help learning something new and you can help why wouldn't you. What you are saying shows a huge lapse in moral character and aids no one, with exception to your asinine ego. Drop it already. I am assuming you are referring to new RN's so lets be less cliche and NOT rat our young. You have a really bad attitude and entitlement issues. I don't believe and nurses will prosper if they are anything like you which a good 30% are sad to say.

    7. the people who want a union really need one.
    If they need some thing why begrudge them of it. Honestly All nurses need a union including you because nothing is going to get better and if you think you are okay today, your assumption that later will be different is a very shortsighted and wrong attitude.
    Are you saying abused nurses should have no way of attempting to better their situations? Why can't they have one and why can't your support and advocacy unless it gives you a sense of superiority to look down at other nurses which I sense is exactly the attitude in play here.

    6. too corrupt.
    Another BS assertion. Unions have been working for 100 years and because members of the trade are so closely involved that Corruption is easily checked simply by creating a union frame work modeled after a union that has been successful, Yet Again I'm dealing with a defeatist, who has already lost the battle and the war and likes it that way.

    5. too political, too liberal and too partisan.
    Really? This blows my mind, and again reverts to the defeatist attitude. Having a functional non insane workplace where the nurses are well educated, do not false chart, have a manageable patient load (and no, I don't give a crap if you are speed lightning and have taken care of twenty patients single handedly, b/c what you are doing is putting your ego before the big picture: EVERY patients health under your care. Or do you care? Politics is everywhere and if you want change things the rules must change, Even if you think the party in power isn't your favorite. Grow up already and realize only meeting constructive goals matters which mean SPEAKING UP about what is wrong with the system and figuring out how to fix it.

    4. unions are only about power and money for the ones who run the union.
    More ********. Wall Street took your money and ran, not a union. Yes the people doing the most time consuming work will be paid more but even then the workers say moves the union and nothing else which is why it is your best bet at fair treatment in a deteriorated workplace.

    3. unions are negative about everything but how great they are.
    I'm not sure what union left you with that chip on your shoulder but i'm simple going to tell you that you are wrong.

    2. i like to work steady.
    I'll bet, because you have no imagination or vision whatsoever and taking time out to assert that nurses demands are valid and we have been legally overlooked, while even worker in department stores take a mandatory hour long break with 15min/4hr. If you wanted you could do jumping jack on that time, but as for you getting bored and not allowing others to fight for better pay and working conditions is just darn selfish, and you know it. Working steady isn't an option for per diem RN or Homehealth nurses who are used and have NO benifits.

    1. I've got too much self respect.
    Sorry princess but all you have is pigheaded pride. So, not standing up to assure that Americans have first pick at all American jobs in nursing jobs, instead of foreign scabs who work for nothing and cheapen our trade. aren't brought in, Ensuring the wages made match the increase in cost of living, and that the nurse patient ratio is satisfactory to ensure less mistakes are make. That EVERY nurse has the option of either 8 or 12 hour shifts with OSHA mandated breaks and a competent nurser to assure that the patients are looked after while other RN's are on break. I'm going to tell you what you really have and it is not self respect, it is denial, delusion and arrogance. Period.

    I know I'll get flamed for this but so many like minded nurses who think if it isn't their problem the do not have to show concern. Many nurses think in this ass-backwards way and then wonder why we have chronic back problems, Jobs go to people who barely speak English, an new grads in America have 43% unemployment & after 6months past passing Nclex are still jobless. But this 'person' couldn't care, because she's fine with the statuesque. Screw patients and burned out over worked RNs.

    The American middle class is dying, but the only people fighting that I've seen are the unions, who preserve workers rights and I don't even think this person is a nurse. I think a troll or propaganda con, or just an older b***h with a cushy life, would couldn't give a ...
    Whoot!!! !!! All THIS good stuff!!!^^^^
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    Quote from JackSmythe
    That's the way.....insult those with whom you disagree. Not everyone is on the "union train" so to say. The OP is a nurse, an advanced practice rn. Not everybody has to agree but lets be civil about it. Thanks
    Umm...DeloresMaryHart DID say "not to offend"...

    Sounds civil enough to me....
    Last edit by LadyFree28 on Sep 22, '13
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    There's a great Australian phrase, "Everything before the 'but' is crap."

    Unions have an image problem, and it's largely self-inflicted. Most anti-union arguments I've heard have come from union members.
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    Quote from Not_A_Hat_Person
    There's a great Australian phrase, "Everything before the 'but' is crap."

    Unions have an image problem, and it's largely self-inflicted. Most anti-union arguments I've heard have come from union members.
    Really...wow...that's pretty self depreciating for those who are anti-union union members

    For those who are anti-union, what's the solution then to rebuilding adequate nursing working conditions??? The ANA?? State Nursing Groups???

    I'm curious for those who are saying "unions are not the answer".,.then what IS??? Cause what's going on in Tennessee and Florida will be tried or is happening in other states and facilities, and THAT is not good for ANYONE.
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