Nurses' Unions - page 5

The topic of unionization has come up,lately, at work, and it got me wondering. So I'm hoping some of you nurses who are currently represented by unions could tell me what union you're with, and how... Read More

  1. by   Shamira Aizza
    Quote from SueBee RN-BSN
    Nothing could be farther from the truth-
    XXX (comment removed per moderator)

    It's just as accurate as saying the bitter pill is reserved only for the diseased condition.
  2. by   HM2VikingRN
    Individual misbehavior does not equate to everyone associated with the union as being corrupt.

    Unions are democratic organizations subject to the control and oversight of the membership. In general a strong labor movement leads to broadly shared prosperity and economic security through stable employment conditions.
  3. by   pickledpepperRN
    We can't close every hospital where an employee diverted narcotics, falsified documentation, or where management knowingly violated health and safety regulations.
    SO we need to work for the most excellent patient care possible.
  4. by   Gromit
    Now THAT I can agree with. Unions are no different than any other entity. If you have corrupt people that control it, it will be corrupt -and it IS fixable.
  5. by   Simplepleasures
    Hmmm... I wonder how many CEO's have been charged with corporate crimes in that time period?
  6. by   Shamira Aizza
    Quote from HM2Viking
    Individual misbehavior does not equate to everyone associated with the union as being corrupt.

    Unions are democratic organizations subject to the control and oversight of the membership. In general a strong labor movement leads to broadly shared prosperity and economic security through stable employment conditions.
    Sure, but that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that this is just unions involving nursing for a very short time frame, and involves administration of the unions in every case. This is actually a miniscule representation of the rampant widespread corruption in every union. I had to edit a huge list for the corresponding time frame to eliminate the hundreds of corruption incidents involving unions that didn't show a direct link to nursing...and I'm sure I left a few out.

    XXXX (comment removed per moderator)

    And spacenurse...I can only imagine the uproar if Unions were subject to the same scrutiny that hospitals are exposed to, and if Unions were expected to operate with razor thin profit margins under the same level of scrutiny. As it stands, unions have a far greater profit margin (considering they really offer very little), compared to the hospitals they exploit.
  7. by   SueBee RN-BSN
    How corrupt are the hospitals who view patients as money makers, and nurses as slaves?
  8. by   pickledpepperRN
    Union Disunity

    The secret deal worked out between SEIU bosses and nursing home owners denies union members the right to speak out, strike, or protect patients...

    http://www.sfweekly.com/2007-04-11/n...disunity/print
  9. by   Gromit
    Quote from SueBee RN-BSN
    How corrupt are the hospitals who view patients as money makers, and nurses as slaves?
    Well, I don't know what to say about the 'nurses as slaves' bit except that I was unaware that slaves got paid -at least not traditionally -nor that slaves had the option of leaving for a competing job. But as for the other part, I'll say that if a hospital DOESN'T see patients as a money maker, you will see them fail and close their doors.
    Like it or not, healthcare is a business. Unless the facility truly runs on charity alone, its GOT to run like a business -and a business doesn't stay in business by giving away their product and refusing to collect on services rendered.
    I don't work for free.
    Do you?
  10. by   HM2VikingRN






    what all this amounts to is a triumph of corporate and financial power, and of the conservative economics that shores it up. once upon a time, american prosperity actually benefited americans. from 1947 through 1973, productivity in the united states rose by 104 percent, and median family income rose by an identical 104 percent. those were also the only years of real union power in the united states, years in which one-quarter of the workforce, and in some years one-third, was unionized. apparently, this level of worker power and mass prosperity proved intolerable to our financial elite and their political flunkies. since the '70s, american business has generally done its damnedest to keep its workers down. employers routinely opted to pay the negligible penalties for violating the national labor relations act rather than permit its employees to join unions. in 1969, according the national labor relations board, the number of employees who'd suffered illegal retaliation for exercising their right to join or maintain a union was just over 6,000; by 2005, that number had risen to 31,358. according to a study out this january from the center for economic and policy research, fully one in five activists on unionization campaigns are illegally fired. and as worker power declines, so do living standards. secure retirement pensions are history; employer-provided health benefits are going fast.
    http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?...rticleid=12631

    food for thought......
    Last edit by HM2VikingRN on Apr 15, '07
  11. by   Sherwood
    Quote from Shamira Aizza
    In the US, nursing unions serve two purposes; as a palliative measure to give the appearance of improving a festering underlying occupational disfunction within a facility, and in some places as a place for meek employees to "sign up" for the team-based approach of extorting benefits from an employer when the employee is too afraid or uninformed to negotiate their own.

    I refuse to work at a union shop because it indicates systemic problems that have not been repaired, but have rather been "spackled over" by a union, and because a union will deny me the right and privilege to negotiate my own compensation based on my own merits and ambition.

    We have got to talk.........You are so right on!

    Thank you!

    Sherwood
  12. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from Sherwood
    We have got to talk.........You are so right on!

    Thank you!

    Sherwood
    In other words, a progressive is someone who is idealistic enough to believe that things can be better and pragmatic enough to get it done.
  13. by   Suedern
    being a member of seiu in las vegas through 4 contracts has taught me a lesson. you get nothing if you do nothing. wether you support your fellow coworker quietly, or are out there on a picket line, or being captian or steward, or loosing your job to protect your fellow coworkers and patients by standing up for what is right. it's those people who make a difference in the lives of thousands of workers, their families and their patients. where are the nonunion people? i don't see you making a difference in the lives of your fellow coworkers, families and patients.
    your the ones who are probably recieving that merit raise because you supported management in trying to intimidate your fellow coworkers. but god forbid you stand up for what is right. wether its having better and safer care for your patients or seeing your fellow coworker who is as good as you, if not better, get the same raise you did? merit raise? give me a break! i saw pennies for raises.
    i saw my halfway decent hmo change numerous times, to the point that most doctor refuses to accept it. but atleast those who choose to stay with that free hmo (that the nurses of seiu have fought so hard to get) should know that atleast without those nurses who came forward and fought for it,you would still be paying, if not more and getting less. maybe with a more visible show of support, those who pay for so much with their ppo's, we can also see some relief in our monthly copays.
    but that's not all. name any article in any hospital/union contract and you'll see improvements through out. from floating policies that float nurse to any floor without consideration for experiance, to unsafe staffing, to just having the right to be in the union. who do you think was behind the kentucky river legislation? do you think they were looking out for your best interest? i don't think so!
    sit in on any bargaining and see who is looking out for the best interest of everyone concerned. sure as #@!$% isn't the employer!
    so in response to a comment i have heard in the past, about "what has the union done for me?" first,they have no first hand knowledge because the have never done anything for or with the nurses that make their union, so they have no right to disparage those nurses who make their place of employment a safer and better place to work. second, if you don't like your raise or retro or better everything, return it to the employer and ask for that merit raise! oh, and sit on those patient care committees beside the employer and not make it better for the patients.

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