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Does it bother CRNA's that MDA's get so much more...? - page 9

Hey guys, I'm not a CRNA yet. I want to be. I just got hired in a MICU/SICU. I was just wondering if it bothered any CRNA's the fact that MDs who practice anesthesia get paid wayy more for doing... Read More

  1. Visit  wtbcrna profile page
    Just your use of that term "mid-level provider" shows you don't know what you are talking about.

    APRNs aren't mid-level providers and they have never been mid-level providers.

    Do you even know who first suggested that more nurses get their doctorates?..
  2. Visit  ddshutlz profile page
    I am a CRNA and I am happy with my compensation. I work with MD's and even though we both understand anesthesia, we are not always doing "the same thing". We have different responsibilities when working as a team. Some CRNA's get bothered by anesthesiologist though for sure, but it is not all about the money.......
  3. Visit  ddshutlz profile page
    For not even being a CRNA, you have a lot of pride. It will not serve you very well Mr. Dr...... just saying
  4. Visit  BigPappaCRNA profile page
    I work 40 or less hours a week. Never more. have a base salary far north of 200K and amazing benefits. It would be impossible for me to care any less about what others do or do not get paid, or how much or little they get paid. I am only concerned with myself, and I am happy. OT available, and lots of it, but why?!?!? I like having a life.
  5. Visit  Chaserr profile page
    I believe a lot of people are misunderstood in this forum about the role of the CRNA and what the future holds. I believe it is a state by state basis, but there are CRNA independent groups to where they do 100% of the anesthesia under no medical direction. The physician that you're 'practicing under' would be the surgeon - who has no anesthesia training whatsoever. There are also CRNAs who branch off with a surgeon and have an independent practice. There are also practices where MDAs and CRNAs practice in the same hospital, but the MDA does not oversee or manage the CRNA at all. Finally the most common in which most people know about is the ACT practice where an MDA will manage 3-4 suites and has to be present during certain stages of the case, which is basically them opening the door and giving a head nod. With cost cutting initiatives running rampant in today's healthcare suspect the aforementioned to become more of the norm over the ACT practice.

    Yes MDA's have more knowledge and education; No their patient outcomes are not better than CRNAs
  6. Visit  AndersRN profile page
    Quote from Chaserr
    Yes MDA's have more knowledge and education; No their patient outcomes are not better than CRNAs
    Is the percentage of CRNA that do transplants/open heart/difficult cases equal to that of MD anesthesiologists? I am afraid that we might be comparing apples to oranges..
  7. Visit  wtbcrna profile page
    Quote from AndersRN
    Is the percentage of CRNA that do transplants/open heart/difficult cases equal to that of MD anesthesiologists? I am afraid that we might be comparing apples to oranges..
    Which type of anesthetic cases are the patients most often to be least optimized for surgery and have the greatest chance of morbidity and mortality?
    By the way those are the cases that are most likely to be done by CRNAs.
  8. Visit  Chaserr profile page
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    Last edit by Chaserr on Dec 16, '15 : Reason: double post
  9. Visit  Chaserr profile page
    Quote from AndersRN
    Is the percentage of CRNA that do transplants/open heart/difficult cases equal to that of MD anesthesiologists? I am afraid that we might be comparing apples to oranges..
    Show me the proof.
  10. Visit  twozer0 profile page
    Quote from AndersRN
    Is the percentage of CRNA that do transplants/open heart/difficult cases equal to that of MD anesthesiologists? I am afraid that we might be comparing apples to oranges..
    Are you refering to % of personel or were you trying to say are the outcomes similar? We do not do thorasic cases at my facility but I do know for a fact, that all of our CRNA's did a thorasic rotation. If you want my expert opinion, I would take a CRNA doing my full anesthesia over a anesthesiologist anyday. I'm not bashing MD/DO's im just saying that when I walk into a room, and see the CRNA behind the curtain and the ologist on the ipad playing candy crush you know who does the work for every case.

    CRNA's do all the anesthesia grunt work, they are experts at what they do. When you do something over and over and over again, you tend to get good at it. The ologists at my facility seldom do cases by themselves. I think some of them do them only to remain familiar with the equipment and technique. As for open hearts/thorasic cases, you'll have CRNA's managing the anesthesia all the time.

    I have some good stories from my CRNA friends (and some crazy pictures to boot) about insane cases they have done. One of our CRNA's ran a room for a orthopedic oncologist removing a tumor from a back. 60 units of blood later! He showed me the picture of all the blood bags on the floor, it was insane! The whole case was ran by two CRNA's at a major university medical center (fyi my CRNA buddy is wicked smart and very good at his job).

    get educated Ders.
  11. Visit  Pheebz777 profile page
    Quote from ICU, RN, BSN, B.S.
    Hey guys,
    I'm not a CRNA yet. I want to be. I just got hired in a MICU/SICU. I was just wondering if it bothered any CRNA's the fact that MDs who practice anesthesia get paid wayy more for doing the same thing? I know some hospitals/facilities require the MDA oversee the CRNA, but does that equate to a couple hundred K more?

    I don't know...I just feel CRNA's are not compensated enough for the ENORMOUS amount of responsibility and knowledge they hold.
    Everyone should have just answered the question as follows:

    Nobody in their right mind would be bothered that MD's get paid more. I would be bothered if a CRNA was paid more than an MD Anesthesiologist! LOL!
  12. Visit  wtbcrna profile page
    Quote from Pheebz777
    Everyone should have just answered the question as follows:

    Nobody in their right mind would be bothered that MD's get paid more. I would be bothered if a CRNA was paid more than an MD Anesthesiologist! LOL!
    Why don't you think CRNAs should make equal pay for equal work?
  13. Visit  loveanesthesia profile page
    Quote from Pheebz777
    Everyone should have just answered the question as follows:

    Nobody in their right mind would be bothered that MD's get paid more. I would be bothered if a CRNA was paid more than an MD Anesthesiologist! LOL!
    Why would 'anybody in their right mind be bothered' if a CRNA was paid more than an MD? Some CRNAs are paid more than some MDs (not many, but some). Why does that bother you?

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