CRNAs in Florida to require anesthesiologist supervision

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I just read in a magazine about a House bill being passed that mandates that CRNAs in that state must now be supervised by anesthesiologists. If this passes the senate, wouldn't this be the end of the CRNA profession in Florida? After all, why would anyone use CRNAs if they would also have to pay for the supervising anesthesiologist? Where are the Florida CRNAs, and what do they have to say about this? I'm surprised to not see more political activity from them.

Just a thought.

I wonder what's up with the political climate in Florida, and why the ASA seems to have so much clout there. I'm from Louisiana and that's a very corrupt, old ole boy state if there ever was one. Yet the Louisiana CRNA's were able to not only defeat AA legislation but, simultaneously pass a bill banning AA's there which, to me, is a miracle. So, it makes me wonder what's going on with the Florida CRNA organization. Are they just not doing their job?

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If your peers qualifies that remark ("those idiots") as within the boundaries of professionalism, I'll yield. Hey, I even agree there are unprofessional behaviors on the SDN forum but I haven't seen a post where CRNAs were called idiots. And if I came across one, I'll probably have the same reaction as I did over here.

Don't take it personally. If you're not blindly pro-CRNA on this board, and even consider weighing both sides of the issue, you'll get slammed. And ... you'll be called a neophyte or, in my case, a lowly nursing student (beat you to it deepz ;) ) ... whatever. :rolleyes: Professionalism? :chuckle

What's interesting is that if you called someone an "idiot" or other names in another forum on this board, you would automatically smacked down by the moderators and, even, banned from the board all together. I've personally seen this many times. But CRNA section seems to have more of an exemption from the board rules, which specifically ban name calling. Go figure.

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I wonder what's up with the political climate in Florida, and why the ASA seems to have so much clout there. I'm from Louisiana and that's a very corrupt, old ole boy state if there ever was one. Yet the Louisiana CRNA's were able to not only defeat AA legislation but, simultaneously pass a bill banning AA's there which, to me, is a miracle. So, it makes me wonder what's going on with the Florida CRNA organization. Are they just not doing their job?

:uhoh21:

What's up in Florida is that legislators realized they were flat-out lied to by the nurse anesthesia lobbying forces during the years it took to get AA legislation passed. Much of the material presented to them about AA's was simply false. It's one thing to present an opinion when trying to sway someone to your way of thinking. It's an entirely different thing to present something as fact when you know that it's not.

The same tactics were used in Louisiana. But hey, governors change, legislators change. All it takes is another bill to erase the mistakes of last year. ;)

What's up in Florida is that legislators realized they were flat-out lied to by the nurse anesthesia lobbying forces during the years it took to get AA legislation passed. Much of the material presented to them about AA's was simply false. It's one thing to present an opinion when trying to sway someone to your way of thinking. It's an entirely different thing to present something as fact when you know that it's not.

The same tactics were used in Louisiana. But hey, governors change, legislators change. All it takes is another bill to erase the mistakes of last year. ;)

Nah. That can't be it. What you're saying is that "lies" worked in one campaign while "lies" didn't work in another. If both organizations "lied," that doesn't account for the dramatically different results in each campaign. If it was that simple, then the Lousiana CRNA's would have lost too. Instead, they won. There has to be more to it than that.

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
......It's one thing to present an opinion when trying to sway someone to your way of thinking. It's an entirely different thing to present something as fact when you know that it's not. .......

Absolutely. Truth counts. That's precisely why, when your sugar daddy Dr Neeld claimed in sworn testimony -- under oath --that he had PERSONALLY performed 300,000 anesthetics, Congress laughed up its collective sleeve. So much for the A$A's reverence for truth.

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If your peers qualifies that remark ("those idiots") as within the boundaries of professionalism, I'll yield. Hey, I even agree there are unprofessional behaviors on the SDN forum but I haven't seen a post where CRNAs were called idiots. And if I came across one, I'll probably have the same reaction as I did over here.

I can't help myself, I'm a chronic name caller. Just ask the moderators of this forum who have censored me repeatedly.

Specializes in Anesthesia.
......I hope the CRNAs fight long and hard to defeat these bills in the state senate.

Friday 6 May 2005

The 2005 legislative session ended with a final flurry of legislation passed

-- but not HB 629/SB1452 or anything restricting the practice of CRNA's.

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Friday 6 May 2005

The 2005 legislative session ended with a final flurry of legislation passed

-- but not HB 629/SB1452 or anything restricting the practice of CRNA's.

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Awesome!! Congrats FANA and all your hard work. Now, here's NC holding their collective breaths when it comes to our legislation...

Specializes in SICU, Anesthesia.

Deepz,

I have a question concerning the bill in Florida. Did the senate vote on the bill and it was defeated or did they not vote at all? If they did not vote does the bill come up for presentation during the next session or does it have to start the process all over again? Thanks to anyone who can shed some light here.

Friday 6 May 2005

The 2005 legislative session ended with a final flurry of legislation passed

-- but not HB 629/SB1452 or anything restricting the practice of CRNA's.

!

Deepz,

I have a question concerning the bill in Florida. Did the senate vote on the bill and it was defeated or did they not vote at all? If they did not vote does the bill come up for presentation during the next session or does it have to start the process all over again? Thanks to anyone who can shed some light here.

I'm interested in this because I plan on moving to FL for CRNA school. According to my readings, the senators ran out of time before they could get to vote on either of these bills. There were too may issues on the agenda and these were not priority items. I think the FL board of medicine can count this one as another loss. Next year is an election year, and the politicians will be too busy trying to get re-elected to bother with this p*ssing contest between anesthesiologists and anesthetists. Bush is gone from Tallahassee after this year due to term limits and I'm thinking that Jim Davis (D) will beat out Tom Gallagher ® for the governorship in FL in 2006, even if the Republicans retain control of the senate. If that happens, lobbyists from the board of medicine know they'll never sell what they've got in their briefcase to a democratic leadership.

I've been following Jim Davis for a while, and although I don't have much faith in any politician I really like this guy's track record. Unlike some politicians he's more about action than lip service, and he genuinely seems to be more concerned about people and with doing the right thing than he is with special interest groups or big business. In his own words (copied from his website)..."When it comes to cutting the cost of health care, it's time for doctors, nurses and especially patients to be heard, not just HMOs and big drug companies..." To me, this definitely sounds like the type of governor who would veto legislation that would jack up the cost of anesthesia services for Floridians.

Hmmmm, a governor who wants to hear the voices of nurses!!!! Perhaps the governator over in California could learn a few things about politics from this guy :).

:) I would just like to inform all of you that the law requiring supervision did not pass. I live in FL and am in contact with several CRNA's. CRNA's are allowed to practice without supervision. This does not mean that this is always the case. Here in FL each facility is different. Some may require close supervision, others don't. It all depends on the facility.

:) I would just like to inform all of you that the law requiring supervision did not pass. I live in FL and am in contact with several CRNA's. CRNA's are allowed to practice without supervision. This does not mean that this is always the case. Here in FL each facility is different. Some may require close supervision, others don't. It all depends on the facility.

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Thank You

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