Becoming a CRNA - From One Who Did It

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Looking over this bulletin board, I noticed that there were few CRNA's posting, and a large number of people interested in becoming CRNA's posting. There seem to be a lot of questions. I had a lot of help from others in becoming a CRNA, and this is a good chance to pay some of that back. I graduated from Newman University (Wichita, Kansas) just last August. For now, I'll try to answer some of the questions I've noticed are most commonly asked about becoming a CRNA, and what it is like when you are done. If anyone has other questions, I'll try to check this board every so often, and answer those questions, if I can.

First, if you are in school now, nursing or otherwise, its time to start working hard. Pay particular attention to your nursing and science classes. When considering applicants, most schools look not only at the overall GPA, but at the grades the applicant received in the science and nursing courses. Anesthesia school is tough, with heavy emphasis on science. They need a yardstick to determine whether an applicant can handle the heavy course load they will be required to take. Past performance is always a place they begin.

Look around, do some research on the various schools of Nurse Anesthesia. There is a great deal of variation in programs. For example, length of these programs range from 2 to 3 years. Narrow the possibilities down to two or three schools. Then, contact the Program Director or Advisor to find out what requirements you must meet to be accepted to the program. If you have a chance, talk with the Director, and find out what you can do to make yourself a more attractive applicant. While there is currently a shortage of nurse anesthetists, there is no shortage of applicants for the relatively few school seats each year. The competition is stiff, and you must make yourself as attractive as possible.

Every program that I am aware of requires at least one year of experience in an ICU. I am aware of no program that accepts ER, OR, or any other type experience. This may frustrate you, it may not seem fair, and it may not make sense, but trust me, there are good reasons for this requirement. Not all programs require adult ICU experience. One of my classmates' experience was in NICU. Check with the programs you intend to apply to about what specific experience they require.

Once you have applied and been accepted, get ready. Every anesthetist I have ever talked to has said that anesthesia school was the toughest, most demanding thing they had ever done. (The most stressful was taking boards, but that is another story.) My own life is a good example. Before becoming a nurse, I was in the US Army, and attended the Defense Language Institute to study Russian. This was a full year, total immersion program. It was not even half as tough as anesthesia school. Brush up on your anatomy, particularly the anatomy of the airway and nervous system. Know the autonomic nervous system as well as you can. Be ready to study, study, and study some more. Plan on at least two hours study time for every hour you spend in class.

Working while in full time anesthesia school is difficult, at best. Working full time is impossible. Don't try it, you will only harm yourself.

So, what is life as a CRNA like? That depends on where you work. I work for an anesthesia group with both Nurse anesthetists and anesthesiologists. My average work day begins between 6 and 6:30 am, and I work until anywhere from 3 pm to whenever (the longest day I have had was 19 hours). I do anesthesia for all kinds of cases, from simple general surgery to open heart surgery, vascular surgery, and neurological surgery. Nurse anesthetists perform anesthesia, pure and simple. I see my patients before the surgery, plan the anesthetic, and perform all phases of the anesthetic. I put in arterial lines, central lines, and Swan Ganz catheters. I am also able to do regional anesthesia (spinals, epidurals, and regional blocks), but the group where I work does few of these. The only kind of anesthesia I don't currently do is obstetric, because the group I work for does not do OB.

I think the average starting salary for a nurse anesthetist is $85,000 to $110,000 annually, not including benefits, which can be, and usually are substantial. Many places not only have the salary, but also pay overtime. (Do the math. It makes staying late a whole lot easier.) Someone on this board said that some CRNA's only earn $60,000. I am not aware of any full time position with a salary that low.

I am extremely satisified with my career choice. I love doing anesthesia. I find it fun, interesting, and challenging. I have more independence and more responsibility than any other advanced practice nurse I know.

As I said earlier, I'll be happy to answer any specific questions I can. I'd prefer those questions be posted here, so I don't have to repeatedly answer the same questions. Rest assured, you won't be the only one with that question.

Kevin McHugh, CRNA

Hello to all. This is my first time posting. I have really enjoyed this forum. I start anesthesia school in WV next week. I am from Alabama and have moved to WV just to go to school. I did contract with the hospital I worked for there. The contract was for $25,000 and I have to return to work for 4 yrs. I did it for several reasons. I like the hospital, and I am comfortable there. I want to return to that area. And we(my husband and I)spent a fair amount of money relocating so I can go to school. I wanted a little more financial cushion besides student loans, which I also have. I am not in the least worried about paying them off. Maybe some of those reasons will help someone decide if they need to contract for money. I am much more relaxed now that I know I have enough money to function for the next 27 months and I have a job when I get out. Starts at $90,000 + all the extras, so I don't feel I took a cut to get the contract.

My suggestion would be if you can get by without signing a contract then don't. If you need the money to get through school then do it.

The people that have signed contracts in my program have left the pay open, so that when they are done they will be paid the going rate. This is important as salaries are going up quickly. When I first started looking at salaries they were in the 80-90 thousand dollar range (avg) now they average 100 - 110 thousand.

Just do your research and make the best decision for your personal situation.

Thank you AL Bug and Igcv for your advice.

Al bug it sounds like a nice deal, given you already know the hospital and feel comfortable there. I admit going into a new position is difficult enough, let alone learning a new hospital! And the money is icing on the cake!

Igcv, Thanks. My husband and I are going to sit down with a financial advisor and see what we come up with.

Kim

Specializes in ICU, nutrition.

I am currently working in a combined MICU/SICU at a medium sized hospital. I was hired as a new grad (started in January). I got some experience with fresh hearts in orientation as we are so short handed on nights that the experienced nurses who precept also have to take the fresh hearts, even though it's not the best learning experience for the novice nurse. In any case, the policy in our unit is that you will start training to take fresh hearts after about a year of experience out of orientation. Until then I probably won't get much experience with swans or a-lines, although I do get to deal with a lot of cardiac drips. Do you think that I will need a year or so of experience with fresh hearts to look better to a CRNA program?

BTW, thanks for this thread! It's good to hear from someone who's been there and isn't afraid to share their knowledge.

Konni

I'm not too sure I'd worry about this. Certainly, experience with fresh open hearts is helpful, since part of the AANA requirement for graduation is that you perform anesthesia for at least 5 open heart cases. However, if you want to be a CRNA, I personally would not wait to get two years experience before applying to a school. In any event, you will get some experience with swans and art lines (I would think), since these are not reserved for open heart patients alone. I've said this to others. Research the schools you might be interested in attending, and contact the directors of those programs. Ask them your questions. They are always willing to help.

In any event, even if you apply for next year's classes, you should still get some experience with open heart cases before beginning school. The application period starts somewhere around September or October (though most programs will accept completed applications anytime before the deadline), and classes don't generally start until August. If I read your letter correctly, you should have one year next January, and should orient to hearts then. Even if your interview occurs before that, you will be able to tell the board when you start working with open hearts, should that become an issue (and it probably won't).

Retelling a story here, but I know one CRNA who worked in an MICU that did not get open heart patients, who had only five or six months experience as a nurse when he applied to school. He was accepted, and finished his one year requirement waiting for his class date. So, in short, go for it.

Kevin McHugh

Hi. I am a recent graduate of the University of Miami School of Nursing. I have always wanted to become a CRNA. I already have all the applications and requirement information for all the programs in my state. I have already been hired to work on a Cardiac Intensive Care Unit. My question is, I have a few bad grades from when I started college. I was young and irresponsible. Instead of withdrawing from classes that I couldn't attend, I just wouldn't go to class and of course I would get an F. Later I would retake the class and get an A so obviously it wasn't because I couldn't do the work. This was years ago. In my last four semesters and the University of Miami, 75% of my grades were A's and only 1 C. I am proud to say that I am finally working at my potential and do not plan on reverting to previous behavior. Will my past mistakes hurt my chances or can I impress upon the admissions committee that I am no longer irresponsible,

that I am a dedicated hard worker with a great deal of potential that is reflected by my last four semesters at the University of Miami?

CSojet,

you can get in and probably will. Do well on your GRE and you will have a better chance. If you go back and find some of my earlier posts, you will see that I was much like you. I left my first college with a 1.95, and doubled my GPA in nursing school.

good luck

What was your major in nilepoc? a 1.95 ???? wow! *no offense*

Brett

Rock Climbing with a minor in computer science. I did very well in my rock climbing and never went to the classes in my minor. Thus the bad showing. I should not have gone straight to college after high school.

cheers.

LOL nilepoc. I often say I went to college when I should have been going to school. I have since brought my GPA up from less than a 1 to a 3.5. It's amazing what a little maturity will do for a person.

What a great site this is! Just wanted to let everyone know how inspirational it is to talk to people who are following/have followed/want to follow the same path and are willing to share their experiences and knowledge. Thanks to all.

Well, I have to admit I am a little slow, I did not realize there where three pages to this thread. I keep getting emails but whenever I checked it was the same. so I get it now.

I noticed there was some talk about where the best places to work are to prepare to become a CRNA. I am not a CRNA only a hopefull canidate. but, I would like to put a plug in for Neuro specific Critical Care. You don't hear of them much because there aren't many. (True ones) aside from the pure Neurological knowledge that comes from it. you have the world of technology swan, art,ICP ect and pharmacology (we mix our own dripps) the down side would be that its all neuro with a mix in trauma. so we tend to be a little weaker in heart. I have not even had an interview and if I don't get in this year I will surley move to a diffrent unit maybe SICU. but there have been several guys before whom it worked for so I am crossing my fingers.

Matt

CsoJet,

Re: Your concerns for you GPA. Someone told me as I was applying to CRNA school that it all depends on the selection in the pot. One year a school could have a big selection of applicants with high GPA's and GREs and little experience. The next year they could be very experienced and lower GRE scores. It basically boils down to the competition of applicants that year for each school and who appears the most well rounded. When I applied I think I had a 3.5 GPA from 1995, My first Gre score I was worried about so I retook the test. On the second test I only got a 1040 (with analytical I had a 1600 but the schools I was applying to were really only interested in Math and Verbal- analytical could however push them towards one person or the other all other things equal). I had worked ER for 6 years and CCU/CVICU for 1 year come this August and I got in!

So don't be discouraged over your early years - you must have had some fun - good for you, you need that too! It is difficult to recover after just few low grades but it can be done and it sounds like you are on the right track. Keep plugging away and don't loose focus if this is what you want!

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