Becoming a CRNA - From One Who Did It

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Looking over this bulletin board, I noticed that there were few CRNA's posting, and a large number of people interested in becoming CRNA's posting. There seem to be a lot of questions. I had a lot of help from others in becoming a CRNA, and this is a good chance to pay some of that back. I graduated from Newman University (Wichita, Kansas) just last August. For now, I'll try to answer some of the questions I've noticed are most commonly asked about becoming a CRNA, and what it is like when you are done. If anyone has other questions, I'll try to check this board every so often, and answer those questions, if I can.

First, if you are in school now, nursing or otherwise, its time to start working hard. Pay particular attention to your nursing and science classes. When considering applicants, most schools look not only at the overall GPA, but at the grades the applicant received in the science and nursing courses. Anesthesia school is tough, with heavy emphasis on science. They need a yardstick to determine whether an applicant can handle the heavy course load they will be required to take. Past performance is always a place they begin.

Look around, do some research on the various schools of Nurse Anesthesia. There is a great deal of variation in programs. For example, length of these programs range from 2 to 3 years. Narrow the possibilities down to two or three schools. Then, contact the Program Director or Advisor to find out what requirements you must meet to be accepted to the program. If you have a chance, talk with the Director, and find out what you can do to make yourself a more attractive applicant. While there is currently a shortage of nurse anesthetists, there is no shortage of applicants for the relatively few school seats each year. The competition is stiff, and you must make yourself as attractive as possible.

Every program that I am aware of requires at least one year of experience in an ICU. I am aware of no program that accepts ER, OR, or any other type experience. This may frustrate you, it may not seem fair, and it may not make sense, but trust me, there are good reasons for this requirement. Not all programs require adult ICU experience. One of my classmates' experience was in NICU. Check with the programs you intend to apply to about what specific experience they require.

Once you have applied and been accepted, get ready. Every anesthetist I have ever talked to has said that anesthesia school was the toughest, most demanding thing they had ever done. (The most stressful was taking boards, but that is another story.) My own life is a good example. Before becoming a nurse, I was in the US Army, and attended the Defense Language Institute to study Russian. This was a full year, total immersion program. It was not even half as tough as anesthesia school. Brush up on your anatomy, particularly the anatomy of the airway and nervous system. Know the autonomic nervous system as well as you can. Be ready to study, study, and study some more. Plan on at least two hours study time for every hour you spend in class.

Working while in full time anesthesia school is difficult, at best. Working full time is impossible. Don't try it, you will only harm yourself.

So, what is life as a CRNA like? That depends on where you work. I work for an anesthesia group with both Nurse anesthetists and anesthesiologists. My average work day begins between 6 and 6:30 am, and I work until anywhere from 3 pm to whenever (the longest day I have had was 19 hours). I do anesthesia for all kinds of cases, from simple general surgery to open heart surgery, vascular surgery, and neurological surgery. Nurse anesthetists perform anesthesia, pure and simple. I see my patients before the surgery, plan the anesthetic, and perform all phases of the anesthetic. I put in arterial lines, central lines, and Swan Ganz catheters. I am also able to do regional anesthesia (spinals, epidurals, and regional blocks), but the group where I work does few of these. The only kind of anesthesia I don't currently do is obstetric, because the group I work for does not do OB.

I think the average starting salary for a nurse anesthetist is $85,000 to $110,000 annually, not including benefits, which can be, and usually are substantial. Many places not only have the salary, but also pay overtime. (Do the math. It makes staying late a whole lot easier.) Someone on this board said that some CRNA's only earn $60,000. I am not aware of any full time position with a salary that low.

I am extremely satisified with my career choice. I love doing anesthesia. I find it fun, interesting, and challenging. I have more independence and more responsibility than any other advanced practice nurse I know.

As I said earlier, I'll be happy to answer any specific questions I can. I'd prefer those questions be posted here, so I don't have to repeatedly answer the same questions. Rest assured, you won't be the only one with that question.

Kevin McHugh, CRNA

Originally posted by aksana

kmchugh,

First af all, thank's for you info. Can you describe me your regular day at work? How many hours a day and week do you work? Do you work on weekends? Do you spend any time with your family at all? Are there jobs out there for CRNA? Thank's.

OK, it took me a while to realize there was a question directed at me. Sorry about how long you waited.

I've described my typical workday before, so you should be able to find it here somewhere, but the short version is I'm usually at the hospital at around 6:30 to set up for a 7:30 start. I do cases all day. I'll go home, depending on my place in the call schedule that day and how busy we are, anywhere between 10 am and 10 pm. Our group pays overtime in addition to base salary, so anything over 40 hours a week is overtime, which earns me about $65-70 per hour. My average week sees me working about 50 hours, though I have had 30 hour weeks. But then last week, we had a couple of people on vacation and a very busy schedule, so we got killed. I worked 75 hours last week, but that is by no means typical.

We have a rotating call schedule, and five CRNA's, so I am first call one weekend in five, as well as second call one weekend in five. 95% of the time when I am first call, I end up working all day Saturday, and usually at least a couple of hours on Sunday. On the weekends I am second call, I will work for about half a day on Saturday about 85% of the time, and never have to work on Sunday.

I do have time with my family, and I usually try to ensure it is quality time. In addition, I have more vacation now (six weeks annually) than I have ever had before. I try to take vacations that include the family all doing something together. Two weeks ago, we all went to Table Rock lake in Missouri, and rented a cabin. Had a great time. The additional money a CRNA makes allows for better time off.

There are a TON of jobs out there for CRNA's. Where in the US would you most dream of living? I would guess that there are jobs there. And most anesthesia groups will pay your moving expenses if moving is involved. There is a shortage of anesthesia providers right now, so contracts can be worked out to your best advantage. There are positions that promise no call, no more than 40 hours a week, and start at 110 - 120 K for a new graduate. Most will pay for your continuing education requirements. I am leaving home (Kansas) this Friday to go to Orlando for a conference there. And, I'm going on the bosses' dime. And the benefits go on and on. CRNA's are far better treated and compensated than ANY staff RN.

Hope this answers your questions, and again, I'm sorry about how long it took to get around to it.

Kevin McHugh

I'm 28yrs. old and I'm starting school in spring of '03'. I've always wanted to do this but I was scared and also let my Grandmother influence me into not going into nursing cause she's been one for 30+ yrs. Well now I'm almost 30yrs old and sick of my job, the job market, etc. so now I wanna do something I should have done a long time ago, BUT I'M SCARED. CAN I DO THIS? By 35-36 yrs of age. Just wanted a few folks views or support. Thanks

Of course you can do it, Sumstarr. I got out of the military at 33 years old, and went back to college to obtain my BSN. Graduated in 96, worked in an SICU for 3 years, then went back for my CRNA. Started work on my Master's at 39, graduated at 41. Why couldn't you do it?

Kevin McHugh, CRNA

Specializes in Nurse Anesthetist.

sumstarr

I went back to school at age 30 to become a RN, took 4 yrs to do the BSN, 5 years of ICU experence and now at 39 in school for CRNA. I will be 40 next year whether I am in school bettering myself or not. ha, ha, ha!

Good Luck

I'l be 46 when I'm done. My brain cell is full.

Kevin can you please tell me if a regular student can become a crna, and when i say regular i mean someone who has to work very hard to make A's and B's. Can a person such as myself succeed.

Valencia, yes you can do it.

I am working harder than I ever have in my life.

You just have to want it.

Craig

Thank you so much for your kind words, but you know how you start to talk yourself out of thing. Not mention all the other people who are trying to talk me out of it. So thanks a lot. I'll keep you posted and I wish you guys the best also.

Nilepoc thanks for your priceless encouraging words, but do you think that i can work weekends and still succeed."JUST WEEKENDS".

lets just say that all of my friends in the program have quit their jobs and don't even try to work. You may be luckier though, but I don't see how.

Craig

It's nice to hear everyone's point of view. I have had a difficult time with the decision to pursue CRNA school because I have a young family, mortgage, car payments etc... However, it is someting I have always wanted to do and I have decided to make the sacrifice...wish me luck, it will be very difficult to pay the mortgage and support the fam on student loans.

Are banks as willing to give student aid to CRNA students as they are medical students?

Craig, I'm glad to hear things are going well for you...Just keep your head down while shopping in the DC area, and walk in a zig zag pattern (he he... just kidding)

Paul

First, I need to highly commend Kevin for his efforts with keeping all of our questions answered during his hellish weeks. 75 hours a week? I work 72 q 2weeks in the SICU and find it difficult! Thanks Kevin, you have provided some of the best advice that I have received thus far.

So here's my deal. I graduated in May, have been working in the SICU of a local level I hosp. and applied to take the GRE in Dec. I really hope to get accepted to CRNA school to start by next Aug. What else can I do? I have called the 3 schools in the area and they pretty much know my name since I've had so many ?'s. Now I was thinking that I should go shadow some CRNA's. I've been in the OR many times during nursing school clinicals (which is one of the main reasons why I love that environment), but never really knew what to ask or what I should be looking for. What exactly do you monitor? I know that every case is different, but hemodynamically, are you just watching BP and HR and titrating meds according to those? Do you take labs during surgery or does someone else? I'm just asking now so that when I shadow I have a little more idea as to what is going on.

Secondly, do you monitor continuous cardiac outputs and indexes during surgery?

Lastly, did they ask you any anesthesia based knowledge questions during your interview for CRNA school? I'm thinking I should start studying more pharm stuff, but anything else? Ventilator settings?

Thanks! Hope you are having a better week at work.

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