Becoming a CRNA - From One Who Did It

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Looking over this bulletin board, I noticed that there were few CRNA's posting, and a large number of people interested in becoming CRNA's posting. There seem to be a lot of questions. I had a lot of help from others in becoming a CRNA, and this is a good chance to pay some of that back. I graduated from Newman University (Wichita, Kansas) just last August. For now, I'll try to answer some of the questions I've noticed are most commonly asked about becoming a CRNA, and what it is like when you are done. If anyone has other questions, I'll try to check this board every so often, and answer those questions, if I can.

First, if you are in school now, nursing or otherwise, its time to start working hard. Pay particular attention to your nursing and science classes. When considering applicants, most schools look not only at the overall GPA, but at the grades the applicant received in the science and nursing courses. Anesthesia school is tough, with heavy emphasis on science. They need a yardstick to determine whether an applicant can handle the heavy course load they will be required to take. Past performance is always a place they begin.

Look around, do some research on the various schools of Nurse Anesthesia. There is a great deal of variation in programs. For example, length of these programs range from 2 to 3 years. Narrow the possibilities down to two or three schools. Then, contact the Program Director or Advisor to find out what requirements you must meet to be accepted to the program. If you have a chance, talk with the Director, and find out what you can do to make yourself a more attractive applicant. While there is currently a shortage of nurse anesthetists, there is no shortage of applicants for the relatively few school seats each year. The competition is stiff, and you must make yourself as attractive as possible.

Every program that I am aware of requires at least one year of experience in an ICU. I am aware of no program that accepts ER, OR, or any other type experience. This may frustrate you, it may not seem fair, and it may not make sense, but trust me, there are good reasons for this requirement. Not all programs require adult ICU experience. One of my classmates' experience was in NICU. Check with the programs you intend to apply to about what specific experience they require.

Once you have applied and been accepted, get ready. Every anesthetist I have ever talked to has said that anesthesia school was the toughest, most demanding thing they had ever done. (The most stressful was taking boards, but that is another story.) My own life is a good example. Before becoming a nurse, I was in the US Army, and attended the Defense Language Institute to study Russian. This was a full year, total immersion program. It was not even half as tough as anesthesia school. Brush up on your anatomy, particularly the anatomy of the airway and nervous system. Know the autonomic nervous system as well as you can. Be ready to study, study, and study some more. Plan on at least two hours study time for every hour you spend in class.

Working while in full time anesthesia school is difficult, at best. Working full time is impossible. Don't try it, you will only harm yourself.

So, what is life as a CRNA like? That depends on where you work. I work for an anesthesia group with both Nurse anesthetists and anesthesiologists. My average work day begins between 6 and 6:30 am, and I work until anywhere from 3 pm to whenever (the longest day I have had was 19 hours). I do anesthesia for all kinds of cases, from simple general surgery to open heart surgery, vascular surgery, and neurological surgery. Nurse anesthetists perform anesthesia, pure and simple. I see my patients before the surgery, plan the anesthetic, and perform all phases of the anesthetic. I put in arterial lines, central lines, and Swan Ganz catheters. I am also able to do regional anesthesia (spinals, epidurals, and regional blocks), but the group where I work does few of these. The only kind of anesthesia I don't currently do is obstetric, because the group I work for does not do OB.

I think the average starting salary for a nurse anesthetist is $85,000 to $110,000 annually, not including benefits, which can be, and usually are substantial. Many places not only have the salary, but also pay overtime. (Do the math. It makes staying late a whole lot easier.) Someone on this board said that some CRNA's only earn $60,000. I am not aware of any full time position with a salary that low.

I am extremely satisified with my career choice. I love doing anesthesia. I find it fun, interesting, and challenging. I have more independence and more responsibility than any other advanced practice nurse I know.

As I said earlier, I'll be happy to answer any specific questions I can. I'd prefer those questions be posted here, so I don't have to repeatedly answer the same questions. Rest assured, you won't be the only one with that question.

Kevin McHugh, CRNA

Kevin--

Thanks for the advice. I am probably gettng nervous for nothing. I do appreciate the calming voice of experience...lol

Does my ap have to be in before I would be allowed to visit classes at Newman? How did your situation of this come about? I would really like to be able to visit Newman and maybe make myself known. What do you think?

Fence just curious if you would be willing to share your GPA, GRE. Mine is in the lower 3s and no GRE yet.

Does my ap have to be in before I would be allowed to visit classes at Newman? How did your situation of this come about? I would really like to be able to visit Newman and maybe make myself known. What do you think?

Fence just curious if you would be willing to share your GPA, GRE. Mine is in the lower 3s and no GRE yet.

Want2Bgasman--

I think if you contact the director of any of the CRNA programs they will be happy to arrange a tour of their school. I am sure you do not have to have an application in or even be in the prcess of applying.

Fence

To your knowledge is Newman one that counts the last the 60 hrs? If so I can prob pull off 3.7 before all is said and done.

Want2Bgasman--

I do not think that is the policy for Newman. I do however believe that is how it works at Texas Wesleyan.

I am interested in this field as well. I am currently taking my ADN and then want to get my BSN then go to school. I live in Chattanooga, TN and the starting pay at most area hospitals is 115K. I want to take a longer route to get there to make sure I can do it when I get into school. Thanks

Originally posted by kmchugh

jperry

To be honest, I don't know anything at all about Truman's program. When I first considered becoming a CRNA, I looked into KU's program briefly. What I found was that KU required you to take several classes (particularly chemistry and physics) before entering their program. These were not required classes for the nursing program, and I found this requirement to be a little disheartening. When Newman opened their program, I found the only requirement beyond a BSN was taking a statistics class (if it was not a requirement of your undergraduate program). Most CRNA programs do not have the heavy pre-req requirement that KU has. There is some chemistry and physics you need to know as a CRNA, but as the director at the Newman program told me, they will teach you what you need to know.

As it turned out, I was glad I did not go to the KU program. Most SRNA's are required as part of their program to attend the bi-annual state meetings, and I got to meet a number of KU students at these meetings. I found that the KU program would not have been a good fit for me. First, it is a 30 month long program, compared to the twenty four months required at Newman. (If you do the math, you will find that in tuition, books, and lost salary, that extra six months will cost you as much as $30,000 - $50,000.) There are some other reasons I did not care for the KU program, but won't go into those here.

You asked about the two students who did not make it through the first Newman class. I feel that saying why they did not make it through on a public bulletin board would be a violation of their privacy, and therefore I cannot and will not address that at all. In any event, I was a student at the time, and not involved in the decision making process of releasing the students. Anything I said would be hearsay. I understand your curiosity, but I really cannot say more about it.

Seri

CRNA's don't really work "in" any of the departments you listed, with the exception of the labor and delivery department. Primarily, you will find CRNA's in the surgical suites, providing anesthetics for surgery. You will also find them in the LDR, putting in the epidurals for pain management. In some places, particularly rural areas, you will find CRNA's doing these things by themselves, and in others, as part of a team under the direction of an anesthesiologist.

In some hospitals, CRNA's are on the code blue teams, and will respond to all areas of the hospital for that purpose. Some will respond to the emergency department as part of the trauma team.

I have performed anesthetics for all kinds of patients, including neonatal, pediatric, adult, and geriatric. From the tone of your letter, interaction with the patient seems to be very important to you. That's a great trait for a CRNA to have, but remember, our interaction is more limited than most nurses. But that interaction can be most important, in calming a patient's fears before surgery, and helping alleviate the patient's pain after surgery. There may be some places where a CRNA might work only in the LDR, but most places will expect you to perform anesthesia in the OR as well.

One other point: I am a firm believer that the only dumb question is the one you did not ask for fear of looking foolish. So, ask away.

Kevin McHugh

i'm an SRNA who's wondering if you've heard of an accelerated program to become an MDA?

Originally posted by scurvy

i'm an SRNA who's wondering if you've heard of an accelerated program to become an MDA?

Never heard of such a program. I don't think I've ever heard of any accelerated programs to become an MD.

Kevin McHugh

there are no accelerated MDA programs... in order to become an MDA you still have to do 4 years of medschool and 4 years of residency - whether you have your CRNA or not. there are a few accelerated BS/MD programs where out of high school you can do 3 years (it used to be 2) of Bachelors and then 4 years of MD, but since you are an SRNA i assume you already have your BS... and by the way those accelerated BS/MD programs are extremely competitive and pretty rare.

Hi Kevin,

Maybe I can ask you a couple of questions. I have been applying to nurse anesthesia school most recently. At this point, I've been called for interviews from 3 different schools. I graduated last december, entered a Critical care fellowship, which combined education with clinical preceptorship. I've been in a cardiovascular surgical unit since June 1st, and obviously have had some great experiences. I didn't expect to apply to anesthesia school until next year, but i found myself getting applications, recommendations, ets, and sending them in. I am very hesitant to start jumping in and inserting Swans, central lines, and that kind of thing. With this in mind, I am considering waiting until next year to enter anesthesia school. I am pretty smart, but also very conscientious. I'm pretty young, only 25 right now, and don't want to make myself look bad by applying too early. Let me know what you think, if you don't mind. You've done great with this site. It's good to know someone can come here for advice if they need it.

David

Absolutely go to CRNA school ASAP if you get accepted. I think no one is really prepared for the difference in nursing and anesthesia. It is awesome. Do not hesitate. I also am 25 now and could not get here fast enough. I do not regret all the hard work and much more hard work to come.

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