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- Quote from smilealotThat's an understatement. ...and it's not "mostly education" in my opinion. I'm a relatively new-grad nurse and I can't even tell you how many of my colleagues have earned their education and credentials and have left the profession because they couldn't professionally adapt in one way or another. It's education and the ability to effectively apply that education to beating hearts.There is a huge difference between a MA and a RN. Really there is. Its mostly called education but that is just part of it.
Huge huge difference....
- Quote from CaliBoy760Are you referring to physicians? To be fair, they should never refer to themselves as 'doctor' unless they hold a doctorate level academic degree, the vast majority of which do not. I'm not saying that you should start correcting people that refer to physicians as 'doctors', but you most certainly could and quite accurately so. M.D.'s are not doctors.To do anything less would be dishonest and I could go to jail for impersonating a doctor.
- [...]Quote from kcmylorn(fyi) That is not true in all jurisdictions. In Arizona, e.g. nursing assistants hold certificates -- true, but they are still under the jurisdiction of the board of nursing as certificate holders.nurses aids ... do not fall under the jurisdiction of the Board of Nursing
- Aug 10, '12 by CaliBoy760factoviia, Of course an M.D. can call themselves "Doctor", because they are a "Doctor of Medicine". Non-medical individuals holding Doctorate degrees are also allowed to call themselves "Doctor" because they have achieved a Doctorate of Philosophy, or PhD., which may, or may not be related to the science of medicine.
- Quote from CaliBoy760Yes, that has been the modern convention, but technically, they should have a doctorate level academic degree, such as a Doctorate of Nursing Practice in order to earn the distinguished title of "Doctor".Of course an M.D. can call themselves "Doctor", because they are a "Doctor of Medicine".
This argument was first presented to me by the President of a certain national advanced practice nursing professional organization that will remain anonymous. It is a thought provoking argument and the current thread reminded me of it.
If I am ever in a situation in which the practitioner with a medical degree greets the unlicensed staff with "good morning nurses!", I will be more than happy to return the greeting with:
"Good morning, physician!", because a doctor, he is not.
- Aug 10, '12 by GracyMaeI'm confused ... an M.D. cannot call himself/herself a "doctor?"
- Quote from Kengland88Yes, than can. Legally, even. Are they doctors? I assert that it is still up for debate.I'm confused ... an M.D. cannot call himself/herself a "doctor?"
Apologies for hijacking this very important thread...
I'm a new nurse and it is news to me that members of the health care team would be so careless with the use of the title "nurse". I can understand a patient or family making this harmless error, but beyond that, there is no excuse. I'm truly shocked that this happens in the modern day...
- Aug 11, '12 by nursel56Quote from CaliBoy760I think maybe factorviia is gearing up for a campaign to convince people that a DNP should be called "doctor", but an MD should not?I'm calling BS. A medical school graduate who has completed residency and has passed the medical boards is a "Doctor", and is entitled to the the respective title of "Doctor", ancient rhetoric not withstanding.
Since medical doctors (MDs) are already spitting nails over NPs with doctorates being called "doctor" due to the patient confusion factor, I say a hearty good luck with that and I'll go stock up on some Blast o' Butter popcorn.
edit to add: it's worth mentioning that the AACN has taken great pains to explain the difference between a DNP and a PhD in Nursing (or any previous advanced degree programs that have lived and died over the years). You refer to the DNP as a "clinical doctorate" and a PhD as an academic, or research-oriented doctorate. If that isn't confusing enough, they feel that today's master's in nursing coursework is equivalent to doctorates in other disciplines, so to use a little shorthand, you could basically just change the name and it would all be good.
Sorry for the highjack, elleveein. Nothing will change until they get their rear-ends singed by a patent who knows and cares about things like that. My first clinic job in 1978 tended to be lax about titles, but that is changing rapidly.
There is now such a confusing array of letters and midlevel providers compared to prior decades, that now it matters. The urgent care center I visit got in huge trouble because a patient accused a PA of representing himself as a doctor. Not how the word-mincers define it, but how the public at large defines it. He may have had a PhD in library science, but that wasn't going to cut it in this dispute.Last edit by nursel56 on Aug 11, '12