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- May 17, '10 by nitronymphWhatever it takes to get you up and going in the morning...whatever it takes for you to love your job! I'm a staff nurse and LOVE direct patient care!!!! I don't need a BSN(only lack 5 classes, mainly clinicals and theory component)to enjoy what I do. Besides, where I work, the salary is not but $1/hr more for a BSN. You actually have to "climb" the career ladder to achieve the big $2/hr more that is available only if you "climb" the ladder. By the way, we have ADNs who are department managers and over BSN holders in their department! I am happy with me, just as I am, and my patients are, too!
- Jun 25, '10 by MsCTI am so glad to see this information. I just signed up for Associates of Nursing program. I feel so much better now. I do have an Associates in General STudies. Do you think I would make a little more with two associate degrees?
- Jun 28, '10 by Bloop23I am a nursing student (BSN) and from my experience there is no difference between knowledge base and skill level of Associate or BSN prepared nurses who have been working for a while. However, difference I've experienced in critical thinking skills between and nursing theory knowledge among BSN students and Associates students is pretty big (I'm going to get torched for this but its been my honest experience). I go to school in Philadelphia, most major hospitals are magnet and only hire BSN due to magnet status.
I feel like the goal of a BSN program is to prepare you for an APN career or career in management. My school, inparticular, doesn't give us enough practice in nursing skills but overloads us in nursing and medical theory. I feel underprepared to be an entry level nurse in terms of practice and over prepared in terms of theory. Associates programs are the exact opposite, I feel like they are great nurses because programs emphasize what nurses actually do and under emphasize theory.
In terms of management, BSN and MSN nurses just sound better on paper. Management is about leadership and your ability to make sound decisions, not necessarily related to level of education. However, graduate degrees demonstrate your ability in higher level thinking which is valuable as you strategize to make your unit or hospital (if your an executive) run as efficiently as possible.
- Jul 22, '10 by crnawant2beMy hospital pays more for a BSN (3%) + 3% more for MSN but also pays 3% for CCRN, PCCN or any other cert. they consider it more edu but BSN does not make you a better nurse. (case in point one of the most imperessive open heart nurses in our unit is a 20+ year LPN. I have more respect for her than some BSN I work with) just my
- Jul 23, '10 by TheChair1Quote from MsCTNo, i highly doubt holding two associates degrees would yield one a higher salary.I am so glad to see this information. I just signed up for Associates of Nursing program. I feel so much better now. I do have an Associates in General STudies. Do you think I would make a little more with two associate degrees?
- Jul 25, '10 by NightAngelleI'm gonna take heat for this post...but it is all good...
I've been an ADN for eleven years. I've seen the threads on allnurses.com for years debating the validity of ADN vs. BSN. And for a long time, I've sided with the ADNs regarding "What's a BSN got to do with it?" Trust me, I shared that frustration.
I am enrolled in a RN-BSN program at Auburn University-Montgomery. The three semester program has a cute nickname..."Perspective Transformation Journey." And perspective changing it has been. Earlier, a poster mentioned that other "professions" require at best, a Bachelor's degree for entry level practice. That being said, in order to be taken seriously as a profession, we need to up the ante on our educational requirements to gain that said respect. It has nothing to do with "I've been a manager with my Associate's degree, and that's where I'm gonna stick it" mentality, or "I know LPNs that run circles around some of the RNs on our unit." Although this may be true, it does not hold weight for us as a PROFESSION.
My professor made a profound statement in class one day.."Anyone can train a monkey to be a nurse. But monkeys do not have multiple level critical thinking skils." Now, that being said, I reiterate I've been an ADN for eleven years. I am highly intelligent, and very technically sound, and can see sh*t hitting the fan hours before it comes (intuition). However, in just ONE SEMESTER, my horizons have been broadened. Just what does it mean to be a "nurse"? Most people describe us as "caring, compassionate, devoted, loving, blah, blah blah...". But who ever describes a nurse CONSISTENTLY as SMART, EDUCATED, etc...and why is it that when we show promise to people like our patients, they ask us why we didn't go to MEDICAL school??? One day, when we gain respect as a profession, our patients will say..."Wow..you are something else. NO WONDER YOU BECAME A NURSE."
The professional nurse does more than manage and think critically. He/she gives back to their community, they teach, they participate in forward moving legislation for our field, they contribute to evidence-based research, they participate ACTIVELY in their professional organizations, and they think OUTSIDE the box. If you are happy with being an ADN, and the shoe fits, by all means wear it. I've worn those shoes for ELEVEN YEARS. But I pat myself on the back for being open-minded and giving myself a chance to be a more well-rounded nurse who wants to be taken as seriously as she takes herself.
Check out the BSN in 10 initiative. Google it. People, there is a reason the Magnet movement exists. And it ain't all about YOU. It's about nursing- as a profession! When we stop looking at the BSN as a stepping stone to advanced practice nursing, and more like progression of our profession, our pay rates will change, our level or respect will change, we will get the legislation we need to end the nursing shortage, and maybe, just MAYBE, those little "naughty nurse outfits" will slowly fade into oblivion because we will be taken MORE SERIOUSLY!!
- Aug 12, '10 by gking2010Well in the hospital setting nurses with a BSN can become a manager if they wanted after a few years of staff nursing. I really dont see a difference because we all take the same exam. I mean why dont we just be a BSN after the nclex. I know folks from a BSN program that didn't even pass their exam yet. My school passing rates are better than most 4 year colleges. I chose the ADN route so that i could make money and then go back if I choose to.
- Aug 12, '10 by indreams84Quote from sosiouxmeAn RN with only the "ADN" (which, by the way, is not considered a college degree) would make as much as someone with a BSN only if they hold the same position. However, most BSN's are hired at higher levels than the non-degreed RN's to begin with. With the ADN - you will almost never advance to the same level as someone with a BSN, or better, a Master's, can achieve.
ADN= associate DEGREE nursing from two year COLLEGE.....and yes, actually our ICU hires and pays BSN and ADNs equally. Perhaps you may advance eventually, but by the time you can, the ADN can earn their BSN@home for a fraction of the cost.....when I graduate this December from an ADN ill have ZERO student debt and am starting my BSN while getting an ICU job. Can you say the same?Last edit by tnbutterfly on Aug 12, '10 : Reason: Inflammatory
- Aug 13, '10 by denit1amThis forum is ridiculous, RN vs BSN. I am going into an accelerated program at an community college in Michigan that happens to hold to highest board pass rate in the state of Michigan, and that is competing with MSU and UofM. I also know from holding a bachelors degree in Cardiac Rehab, most of the classes you take to obtain your degree are a joke. I will eventually get my BSN just because I know its something to put on a resume when another position opens with higher pay. I know of bridge programs offered only have a couple nursing courses, but I also know of associate nursing programs that don't require Pathophisiology as a prerequisite. I guess choosing a school and the way you spend your time learning to material and being successful at taking the boards is more important than arguing over RN vs BSN, becuase at the end you all hold the same title RN.