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  1. May 22, '09 by
    so renting is better than purchasing... where do you find a lease machine?
  2. Jun 3, '09 by
    I too was trying to get into the field but the $1200 fee per class at the Institute was a bit steep for just one class! I did find someone local who also does training but she charges $1500 for one class! I mean yes, the treatments are expensive for the clients but come on....$1200 or $1500 for a day of training!!! Jeez, what a racket!
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  3. Jun 4, '09 by
    thank you for the excellent info!

    I have not checked into it in detail yet but if you google isbe college in Hawaii there are some advanced para medical esthetic classes offered online..not sure if they are hands on since it's online but maybe you go in for a day of clinical? I plan to talk to the advisor to find out more info. Not sure if the online classes are approved for all state board requirements or not..it seems each state board should know what a nurse is allowed to perform with a RN license and/or if additional training/certificates are required?

    but anyways google that school, the online classes are more affordable and if they offer the same info you would receive elsewhere, it may be a good option.
  4. Jun 22, '09 by
    Hi all,

    I am so glad I found this thread & I hope this thread is still active. I am currently a pre-nursing student hoping to get into a bsn program fall of next year.

    I have been thinking about what field in nursing I would like to end up in & after doing a lot of research, I stumbled into aesthetic nurse. Now I have a few questions that hopefully you guys can answer. I apologize in advance if my questions seem really dumb. lol

    1: I would like to double check that I understand this right. In order to become an aesthetic nurse, you would need to become a nurse & find at least an employer that is willing to pay for education to go to aesthetic school.

    2: Once you become an aesthetic nurse, where would you say the best place to work is?

    3: For those who are aesthetic nurse, are you satisfied?

    4: If ever I decide to start my own medspa, how should I go about it (I live in illinois)?

    5: For those who have your business, are you satisfied?

    I hope this isnt too much for any of you. I want to thank you all in advance. I know that this will really help me narrow my search of what field in nursing I would really prefer.
  5. Jun 25, '09 by
    Quote from Got Botox?
    Dear thekid,


    That's a good question, and one that I hear a lot! Ok, let me try and break it down for you without any biased opinions, because National Laser Institute does not offer the regular aestheticians course (we are strictly CE/CME advanced clinical medical aesthetics for nurses and physicians) and I don't want to steer you away from you're own decision.

    1) If an RN, NP or PA would like to become certified as an Aesthetician and go through the typical 4-6 months of schooling in addition to core training for advanced medical aesthetics (botox, fillers, laser), that's wonderful! That decision is purely a matter of preference, time and money... not a matter of becoming more qualified or educated to perform cosmetic injections or laser skin services.

    2) The preference that I speak of deals with what you are to be using that additional schooling for, because what one will be learning throughout the 600 hours of aesthetic training is quite different from what one will be learning in an advanced clinical medical aesthetics course. Both teach modalities related to skin, tissue, muscle and hair... however, the 600 hour regular aestheticians course will relay it to facials, tissue massage, facial waxing, exfoliants, extractions, lyphatic massage drainage, steaming, history of aesthetics, skincare etc... If you want to learn these techniques, that's great, just make sure that you will be performing them at your job. On the flip side, the advanced medical aesthetics course will relay it to skin interaction with lasers or intense pulse light machines, muscle/tissue response to botulinum type A or hyaluronic acid fillers, skin conditions treatable by these modalities, correct laser settings for different skin types/conditions, dilution ccs of botox/fillers for different facial creases, folds, wrinkles, etc...

    3) Please be cautious and really research any program that offers a 600-700hr course on BOTH regular aesthetics (waxing, facials, skincare, product) and clinical medical aesthetics (botox, filler, laser, IPL). There is no way one course can give you all that you need to learn for safe practice of both modalities. Basically, it takes all 600ish hours to complete a regular aestheticians course - pretty intense and worth it if thats what you want. Most times, if they tag in medical aesthetics, its usually at the end, or in spurts, and not fully dedicated to. In order to truly learn and safely perform botox, fillers, laser, IPL treatments, I recommend a complete comprehensive course in just that. Again, go anywhere you want to go, but just make sure you do the research and drill away with questions before signing a check. Get the best training for the safety of your clients and the protection of yourself!

    4) The money talk! And its really difficult NOT to give biased opinions here because its just plain old fact. It takes, what... I think around 30-45-60 minutes to get a solid facial which starts around $50 and can go as high as $200 in exclusive resorts or spas. It takes 5 minutes to facial wax or 20 min to leg wax, but the cost is around $15-50. It takes 10-15 minutes to inject botox. Botox costs the provider about $400 a vial with 100 units in each vial. A good provider who DOES NOT overdilute Botox with saline (correct amount 2.5 cc) can treat 2-4 areas of the face. The average cost of Botox is $12-15 per unit. The average person requires 35-45 units per treatment. The same with lasers, which although the machines are expensive (buying is rough, leasing is better, getting in somewhere that already has them is the best), the cost of typical laser/IPL treatments, Photofacials, laser hair removal, Fractional Laser wrinkle reduction can be anywhere from $500-2,000. The cost to revenue to time ratio is huge.

    5) A lot of my nurses and physicians who want the regular aesthetician training as well as the advanced clinical medical aesthetic training, opt to the advanced clinical medical aesthetic training first. Most good courses for a comprehensive background in this will be 7-14 days. That way, they get classroom and hands-on training botox, fillers, laser, IPL, and can go out and work somewhere part-time or contract part-time to still make money while they go on to take the 600 hour aestheticians course.

    I hope this helps. Again, a decision based on preference, time and money.
    Am seriously considering your school..do you offer job placement assistance in Arizona (and how about other areas? I am in Hawaii right now but moving to the bay area)
    thank you
  6. Jul 22, '09 by
    Does anyone know good websites or resources to find aesthetic nurse job openings. I cannot seem to find any helpful sites. The only way I have found to find jobs is to look up specific businesses and check their web page to see if they are hiring. Many of them do not have the info on their page. Just checking to see if anyone had some good ideas. Thanks.
  7. Jul 23, '09 by
    For thekid,
    I hate to be the one to come and rain on your parade, but I AM currently transitioning from ER RN of 38yrs to aesthetics and will share with you what I have found out. I began wanting to do permanent makeup and knew being a RN I'd be able to do injectables without an Aesthetics degree or diploma. That IS true mostly and in my current state, but EVERYTHING in this Aesthetics/RN business depends pretty much on the STATE you want to work in and the LAWS in that state for the procedures that you want to do. It also is important that the school that you attend is noticed in that state as "accredited" by the state that you will be practicing in or you will be tossing your money away. Be careful who trains you!!!! They can tell you anything, but check their licenses out. The woman who trained me had a RN diploma hanging on her wall and when I was talking to someone on my phone about that her daughter took me aside later and told me that she was NOT a nurse of any kind. She was a Nail Technician and Esthetician. I was there 100 hours and got training, even did a few procedures (eyebrows and eyeliner and got to do a few strokes of lips), and that was all in her catalog of 'hands-on training'. I even took digital pix of before and after of each person I did. Then I flew home and realized I do not have enough hands-on experience to do these procedures on others. I could do it, but I happen to have tons of scruples and have to put my head on my pillow and like to sleep at night, not worry who I might have hurt this day. This woman, in a state 1000 miles away, now will not take my calls. She is supposed to be one of the heads of one of the BIG certifying groups! She's been the President of one of them! But, she didn't supply me with the BIG BOOK of Permanent Makeup, like she kept telling me was on the way (I bought it for $150. when I got home and that is part of the 'problem') and she never showed up in the mornings before 10am. I've learned. It's OK. It will not happen again. I did a YEARS worth of homework before choosing her as my mentor. I had every intention of moving to that state and have friends there.
    NOW, I am working to save up to get my Aesthetics Certification which will be in addition to the Permanent Makeup Diploma I have now, the Bloodborne Pathogens certificate I have, and I will also go and take Permanent Makeup AGAIN from a school that is accredited in the new state in which I hope to practice. Then I will begin to do proceedures but be more marketable. The economy is part of it...less women are opting for permanent makeup at this time, where I am. They will pay for facials and waxing, tho'. So, I hope that this helps many people whose posts I've read through. Here is the bottom line, the worst case scenario (remember, I'm an old ER RN)...you will be INJECTING FOREIGN BODY SUBSTANCES into peoples skin and better yet, their faces. Take out you anatomy books and look at all the nerves, muscles, etc in the face alone. Are you willing to work on another person's face with 100 hours schooling and possibly them having someting happen and being taken to court or losing your license?
    This writing is in no way meant to discourage or be negative. It is meant to inform you about what and who is out there and what they can tell you on the phone or on a website. I did not call the Boards of the woman who taught me to check if she was who she said...probably should, but she owns an Institute~~which now I realize is just a name on a door. Check things out! This woman is doing facials and a few permanent makeup procedures so she doesn't care if I am doing them 1000 miles away! Thankfully, I can still work as a RN, which she can't. I'll deal with her computer made Diploma when I am not mad any more.

    For the ones who want to do the FAST N EZ courses one right after the other and think that someone else will pay for you to go and take these expensive courses, it's a nice dream, but probably NOT gonna happen, unless you are currently working for the Plastic Surgeon. YOU will be paying for the training of each class and specialized part of training and it's not a specialty where you can go and take all the classes in a group. MOST (99%) and the BEST schools require you to work in the beginner slot for a minimum of one year before you are eligible to go and take the paramedical courses. I wanted to do it all, one right after the other, too, but once you are DOING the permanent makeup procedures (and I guess facials, waxing, and DEFINITELY laser use) you will FEEL differently about this specialty.
    I was lucky to HAVE all the procedures done as part of my training and I am GLAD that I did that, too. I got to feel the type of pain, got to see the healing times with each procedures, and have a different slant, at this time on one of them (lips)...not that painful, but need touch ups (multiple maybe) and I am 1000 miles away.
    Last edit by redhotzz on Jul 23, '09 : Reason: misspelling
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  8. Jul 23, '09 by
    REdhotzz thank yhou for posting this..I am so sorry to hear about the waste of time you went through.

    I'd like to reinforce what you say..I have also contacted a few schools, to ask about how they help with job placement afterwards or if they are accredited. If they cannot return an email asap , have doubts. There is one post-er on this thread that mentioned a school ..I wrote to that school for more info, was directed to the same general information that is already on the website, and she never wrote back again. That was an automatic cross off my list.

    I have an opportunity to start interning with a plastic surgeon next month. I can at least see if it's something that I'm interested in ..or if it really does pay well enough for the training. To be honest I'm more interested in following him into the OR than learning the office procedures on how to do pre-op assessments. Well..not unless it pays well.

    This is still an interest but right now I'm focusing on getting back into nursing again and maybe something not so specialized..for now just something that pays the bills and gets me going again.

    Am still interested to see where this thread goes, but YES please beware

    Redhotzz are you going to continue on with it?
  9. Jul 23, '09 by
    WOW...thanks for the kudos. I hated to post such a negative, but I have learned and I check things out 10 ways to Sunday. It will not deter me! I am one who dusts my butt off and keeps moving forward. I take what I learned from that woman and move past her! I already think I know where I will go to school and should've gone there to begin with. The owner was the person who always promptly emailed me back and was very honest with me always. You are absolutely correct in your evaluations of places. Every Tom, Sally and Crystal is doing permanent makeup in the states of FL-TX-AZ-CA (the warm year round states) and it's so EZ to get teaching status. For now I do EZ RN work (out of the ER) and think of the days ahead when I will know more. My son has me held in NC for another year til he goes off to college, so I have time. I'm glad that I posted...hope it helps some people THINK before they give someone $3000. and believe they are on the road to aesthetics.
  10. Jul 28, '09 by
    I have the same question... What percentage should the doctor receive for his role as medical director? Is it typical to give a percentage of each procedure to the doc or has anyone experienced a situation where you pay your sponsoring doc a flat fee to practice under his license? Also, how much does the product actually cost?...specifically botox and restalyne? I am trying to piece together a business model. Thanks.