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  1. by   suzanne4
    Sorry, but will not take place in February or March, even if they vote then and it gets approved, it is always 90 days after before anything goes into effect, if not longer. Therefore, next summer as we keep saying.

    You are quoting from only one law firm, there are thousands that are involved in immigration.............do not take what one states as law. They are not any more inside than the others that claim to be, and there are alot.
  2. by   hard_life
    Log In Problems

    "Nursing Shortage Eases for Now"

    I doubt there will be any visa for nurses in the near future since there are controversial issues about foreign nurses in US. :uhoh21:
  3. by   suzanne4
    Sorry, but I do not agree with you. There still are areas that are very short.

    And have been doing this for way too many years.............
  4. by   rusiba
    dear hard_life.
    thanks for very usefull information especially keeping in mind that this post is from november 2004.:trout:!!!
    we should't follow that fears and doubts, thank you suzanne!!
  5. by   rhp123
    If the law is passed, it will be so unfair to other professions. Why a 2-year associate degree nurses can make an express immigration way, while people with PhD degrees from India or China has to wait 3 years for PD to be current? This just doesn't make sense at all to many people.


    Quote from sweet_nurse
    While news out of Washington DC is slow right now (as is always the case at year's end), HLG is hearing that there is already a movement afoot to push Congress to get a small recapture bill passed within the first 10 weeks or so of 2007. Over the course of the spring Congress will debate a wide-ranging CIR-type bill, which healthcare immigration advocates hope will include a complete Schedule A exemption from the Green Card quota.

    A time line might look like this:

    Feb-March 2007: small allotment for Schedule A workers, perhaps 10-25,000 visas. Whether dependents are included is undecided at this point, but our hunch is they will be treated as they are now -- i.e. part of the quota.

    Summer 2007: wide-ranging CIR is passed which includes an exemption for all Schedule A applicants.



    HAMMOND LAW GROUP LLC



    I hope this news will take effect in february or march, cant wait for another year.If this is true well its a very beautiful christmas gift for us.I always crossed my fingers..
  6. by   rusiba
    i disagree with you, dear rhp123 and ready to explain.
    first of all, the vast majority of the us nurses are from china and india, it is understandable, you have more than 2 billion population. however, it is not the blame of nurses from other countries that you are too crawded.
    secondly, the us economy and healthcare system needs rn, not phd. you as a phd have a great opportunity to immigrate to canada, for example. they will give you an additional bonus if you are ready to immigrate, so canada needs phd, hurry up!!!
  7. by   rhp123
    you make the point.

    yet, how long will it take to produce a 2-year assoicated degree nurse? and how long will it take to produce a phd? and how many people can make to the doctoral level? you can do the math. that's why the nursing market is sometimes not stable, as the case in england. because it is too easy to produce one to fill in the spot. also consider the fact us is the only developed country that has a high population increase rate.

    i do not mean any offense to the nurse profession, in fact, i'm studying part-time to be a nurse.


    Quote from rusiba
    i disagree with you, dear rhp123 and ready to explain.
    first of all, the vast majority of the us nurses are from china and india, it is understandable, you have more than 2 billion population. however, it is not the blame of nurses from other countries that you are too crawded.
    secondly, the us economy and healthcare system needs rn, not phd. you as a phd have a great opportunity to immigrate to canada, for example. they will give you an additional bonus if you are ready to immigrate, so canada needs phd, hurry up!!!
  8. by   rusiba
    do you know, dear rhp123, that if you are from country like china or india it is doesn't matter whether you are phd or professor. do you know, that a lot of doctors around the world are ready to study and pay a lot of money to be prepared as a nurse in the us (see md-rn post). so, phd or smth like that in china and india is nothing to to with phd in america. it is different!
    finally, i highly recommended to you to complete your study, pass ielts, nclex and earn us nursing license, and only after that you will be able to compare phd in china with rn in the us.
    thank you.
  9. by   sunnyjohn
    The USA has found it down right difficult to produce enough "two-year associated" degree nurses.

    There is a shortage of trained faculty to educate these nurses. If that PhD is a nursing PhD, they would be welcome at most nursing schools with open arms.

    With the number of prereqs, those two years usually turn into three of four years in the US.
  10. by   rhp123
    dear rusiba,

    i'm talking about phds from us. there are lots of foreign students in us going for phd study, then go for post-doc, or research route. lots of them go through eb1 or niw routes. actually what i just want to say is something about the immigration routes for different professions/routes.

    do you know when the eb retrogression first started last year, the eb-1a individuals with outstanding abilities has a retrogression of one year? that mean even if you graduate from a top us school phd program, and become a faculty at another us top school, you still need to wait till quota become current. but pd for eb1 soon became current. it all depends on supply and demand of the labor market. if the demand is high, but supply can catch up with a even higher rate, then market the becomes saturated soon, otherwise, it will remain in demand for a while.

    thanks for the wishes. and the same best wishes to you.

    Quote from rusiba
    do you know, dear rhp123, that if you are from country like china or india it is doesn't matter whether you are phd or professor. do you know, that a lot of doctors around the world are ready to study and pay a lot of money to be prepared as a nurse in the us (see md-rn post). so, phd or smth like that in china and india is nothing to to with phd in america. it is different!
    finally, i highly recommended to you to complete your study, pass ielts, nclex and earn us nursing license, and only after that you will be able to compare phd in china with rn in the us.
    thank you.
  11. by   rusiba
    Dear rhp123, thanks for your reply, but your position is still illogical. You wrote:"If the law is passed, it will be so unfair to other professions". Could you explain, who prohibit you as a PhD from going through nursing process? I guess it is connected with a lot of problems on this way. So, it is your choice: whether you prefer to be a PhD and to be proud of your great achievement , but have no way for Green Card or become a RN, working hard and get Permanent residence.
    Another reason: what do you think, it is fair or unfair if 10 millions illegal immigrants will be granted Green Card, at the same time lawfull nurses from other countries will not be able to complete legal immigration process for ages? Do you know, I had many chances to stay in the US illegally with my US multientry visa, but I prefer going through legal immigration process. And I think it will be unfair if the law means nothing in America.

    Therefore the main problem is broken immigration system, and I hope the lawmakers are ready to fix it as soon as possible, no matter it is fair or unfair for PhD from China or India. And we should work together in this way instead of being envious.
    Best wishes.
    Last edit by rusiba on Dec 27, '06
  12. by   RGN1
    You can't nurse in the USA from a foreign country with a 2 year degree anyway! We have to have completed a nursing course of at least 3 years, with all the requisite hours that are deemed equivalent to US nursing, to even qualify to take N-CLEX. Then we have to get VisaScreen, & jump through all the paperwork hoops. At least that's the case when going from the UK so I can't see it being different from elsewhere?? With the possible execption of those colleges in the Phillipines that have been set up solely to train nurses for the USA (???).

    It's time consuming & frustrating. Therefore any foreign nurse who has succeeded in getting through all this must surely be an asset to the place they end up working?
  13. by   rhp123
    Dear rusiba,

    I study nursing because I like to work with other people, help people, and work schedule is flexible and good to spend more time with my kids. I'm in US and already have Green Card.

    And I never mention any illegal immigrants. The point is, people think current EB immigration system is broken needs a reform, not just granting quota to temporarily fix the problem.

    Quote from rusiba
    Dear rhp123, thanks for your reply, but your position is still illogical. You wrote:"If the law is passed, it will be so unfair to other professions". Could you explain, who prohibit you as a PhD from going through nursing process? I guess it is connected with a lot of problems on this way. So, it is your choice: whether you prefer to be a PhD and to be proud of your great achievement , but have no way for Green Card or become a RN, working hard and get Permanent residence.
    Another reason: what do you think, it is fair or unfair if 10 millions illegal immigrants will be granted Green Card, at the same time lawfull nurses from other countries will not be able to complete legal immigration process for ages? Do you know, I had many chances to stay in the US illegally with my US multientry visa, but I prefer going through legal immigration process. And I think it will be unfair if the law means nothing in America.

    Therefore the main problem is broken immigration system, and I hope the lawmakers are ready to fix it as soon as possible, no matter it is fair or unfair for PhD from China or India. And we should work together in this way instead of being envious.
    Best wishes.

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