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  1. by   RNGrad2006
    Quote from suzanne4
    Until there is a final bill to be signed into law, there are going to be millions of changes, not even hundreds. Already in the last 48 hours, the guest worker potential program has already been slashed in half. Do not expect to see cart blanche for nurses, it has never happened in the past, and do not expect it now.

    There is no Schedule A in effect at this time, and we do not even know if it will come back to life, or something else done. And I am suspecting that it will be a point status, and again, those with siginificant work experience such as more than ten years will get additional points as they have the skills that the US needs. Just having the RN after your name does not mean that you have the actual skills to be able to function quickly.

    I woudl not even focus on this bill at the moment, if I were overseas, and waiting; I would never want to be part of something that is focused on unskilled laborers and illegal aliens. Most of you are professionals and should be in something strictly for nurses. But with the strength of the unions here, you are not going to see unlimited caps for green cards for foreign nurses for ten years. Just is not going to happen, especially when there are issues with the training of some nurses now coming to the US.
    There are going to be so many changes coming, that your head will spin with trying to read it all. And there are still more than 600 pages that no one has seen yet, that is the length of the bill, or at least what they are expecting.

    Suzanne,

    You mentioned that you suspect points to be given to nurses with 10 years of experience. That doesn't give hope for people like me.

    Do you think those of us that were not only educated in the US but also currently working under a TN would be granted points towards the new points based system?

    There is no question that I will be able to function in the US as I currently am already doing so. I am paying taxes and paid 3x the cost of an American to go to school here so hope that counts for something. I love the US, love nursing, and love my job but just hope to make it more permanent.

    I am sure you can understand foreign nurses frustrations. I realize there are many changes that are going to happen and am trying to be patient. For me personally we are putting our lives on hold (not being able to visit our families) due to the uncertainty and not leaving the country due to fear of not being able to apply when/if applications can be filed. Any hope you can give would be appreciated.

    Thank you for your time. I understand it must be frustrating for you as well getting so many of the same questions. I was just wondering what your thoughts would be in regards to the new proposed points system for lucky people like me already in the US opposed to those who are still waiting in their home countries.
  2. by   suzanne4
    Quote from kalayaan
    would you recommend foreign nurses work in their home country while waiting for the retrogression to be lifted? what do you think the chances are for foreign nurses without experience to get employment if the point system is approved?
    Having experience also increases your chances of getting a better job offer, especially if you want to work in a hospital. Any experience is better than none.
  3. by   suzanne4
    Quote from RNGrad2006
    Suzanne,

    You mentioned that you suspect points to be given to nurses with 10 years of experience. That doesn't give hope for people like me.

    Do you think those of us that were not only educated in the US but also currently working under a TN would be granted points towards the new points based system?

    There is no question that I will be able to function in the US as I currently am already doing so. I am paying taxes and paid 3x the cost of an American to go to school here so hope that counts for something. I love the US, love nursing, and love my job but just hope to make it more permanent.

    I am sure you can understand foreign nurses frustrations. I realize there are many changes that are going to happen and am trying to be patient. For me personally we are putting our lives on hold (not being able to visit our families) due to the uncertainty and not leaving the country due to fear of not being able to apply when/if applications can be filed. Any hope you can give would be appreciated.

    Thank you for your time. I understand it must be frustrating for you as well getting so many of the same questions. I was just wondering what your thoughts would be in regards to the new proposed points system for lucky people like me already in the US opposed to those who are still waiting in their home countries.

    I was using the ten years to make a point, those nurses with that amount of experience are going to get more points, if you are doing it strictly on merit because then can function in their role with minimal orientation.
    They have experience in all areas that they need to have to perform their jo properly and correctly. You trained in the US, so there should not be any issues for you, and you already are able to get the TN Visa, so not a worry for you.

    For those that have had no experience in a hospital environment, and are new grads and are from countries where the nursing is not practiced the same as the US are not going to get the same amount of points. The point system is going to be based on skill level, and training. An RN license alone will not guarantee anyone a job in the US. Remember that you need to have an employer willing to petition you in the first place.

    I would not lose any sleep over it, you will be just fine.:spin:
  4. by   suzanne4
    We do not even know if the merit system will actually take affect. Everything is pure speculation at this time. But for those that think the merit system will help them automatically because they have RN after their name, that is not going to happen. Unless there is significant documented experience, the merit system will not make a difference to most.

    The temorary work visa program has already been cut to 200,000 just since last night, and that is not for professional people. There are many changes that will be coming and going over the next few months, over 600 pages has still not been published, and that is the length of the bill that they are expecting for the CIR.
  5. by   RGN1
    OK bottom line - I have 11 years experience, I have a job offer & all the necessary basic paperwork (N-CLEX, license, VisaScreen & my I-140 about to be filed), Will the merit system help me get my visa quicker or am I still going to be more dependent on getting schedule "A" back from retrogression?

    If I am going to benefit from this "merit system" then what might it mean in terms of my time line, I already know that I can expedite my I-140 if it is to my advantage? I'm really, really confused about all this!!

    Is the USA going down the road of Australia? Where I already know that I could get to in roughly 4 months should I choose to do so. They run a points system & nurses sure qualify for that.
  6. by   suzanne4
    Quote from RGN1
    OK bottom line - I have 11 years experience, I have a job offer & all the necessary basic paperwork (N-CLEX, license, VisaScreen & my I-140 about to be filed), Will the merit system help me get my visa quicker or am I still going to be more dependent on getting schedule "A" back from retrogression?

    If I am going to benefit from this "merit system" then what might it mean in terms of my time line, I already know that I can expedite my I-140 if it is to my advantage? I'm really, really confused about all this!!

    Is the USA going down the road of Australia? Where I already know that I could get to in roughly 4 months should I choose to do so. They run a points system & nurses sure qualify for that.
    Right now, go with what you have in processing. The talk of the merit system is just that at this time. Your petition will be processed now for the I-140 if it is complete. And not sure if the Schedule A will be reinstituted, or something else. The issue is that you can start the process now, I would go with that no matter what. If the merit system does come into play, you will be grandfathered into that.

    Expediting the I-140 is completely useless for you. Until there are current visas available, blasting to get thru the I-140 does not help you. And not even sure if they are still doing the expedited I-140, there was talk that they were going to discontinue it a couple of weeks ago.

    Remember with the merit system, we are talking of green cards, not just a visa to work someplace. Big difference with that. None of us have any idea as to what is going to finally pass. No matter what happens, do not expect anything to be signed before August, and that means visas not availlable for 90 days after. Would not wait until then to decide what to do.
  7. by   RGN1
    Thanks Suzanne, that's pretty much what I thought & I am just going along with the paperwork as it comes.
  8. by   monty0308
    where do you earn "extra-points" for experience under the merit-based system? i can't see that anywhere, except for getting 2 points per year for having worked for a us firm (up to a max. of 10 points).

    what does it mean to say: us employment in health occupation: current for at least one year?

    is nursing also a specialty occupation under DoL definition or "only" a high demand occupation?
  9. by   RNGrad2006
    nfap: the point system’s impact on foreign nurses and other potential immigrants
    foreign nurses, vital to addressing america’s nursing shortage in the midst of an aging u.s. population, would be unlikely to gain entry to the united states under the immigration point system contained in s. 1348, the senate immigration bill. other categories of professionals and skilled individuals are also unlikely to become immigrants under the new – and perhaps inappropriately named – “merit” visas. internationally renowned actors, athletes, physicians in rural areas, factory managers, certain executives and possibly even nobel prize winners may all be left out due to fundamental flaws in the legislation. http://www.nfap.com/pdf/0706pointsystem.pdf

    the following was posted on the hammond law group blog today that addresses the proposed merit based system that is being considered. it does not seem to fare well for nurses. for those wanting to check out the specifics the pdf link above answers a lot of the questions.
  10. by   sofia_815
    What about those nurses who have a visa screen certificate and has been petitioned by their employers??..would they get affected by this merit, and point system proposed bill?
  11. by   RNGrad2006
    Quote from sofia_815
    What about those nurses who have a visa screen certificate and has been petitioned by their employers??..would they get affected by this merit, and point system proposed bill?
    That is all unknown at this point. Has your employer already filed a petition for you? It might make a difference, although I have read some speculation that the cut off will be in 2005 to be grandfathered in, but not sure if it is true.

    I also have a Visascreen and my employer is ready to petition for me but I can't do so at this time, due to retrogression. The information coming out if the merit based system is used does not look as promising for nurses when compared to other occupations. My husband is not currently working due to health reasons, but he calculated how many points he could get based on the pdf and he would score more highly than I would. This is due to his educational status. He has a bachelors degree and I only have an associates degree. He also qualifies for STEM. Yet, his occupation is not as highly in demand as nursing. So the points system, if used, appears to have some flaws in it.
  12. by   healthcpg
    I got the information below from the USCIS bulletin, I would like to know if a nurse with BSN or MSN will be classified as stated below:

    Second : Members of the Professions Holding Advanced Degrees or Persons of Exceptional Ability: 28.6% of the worldwide employment-based preference level, plus any numbers not required by first preference.


    Is this H-1 or simply a different classification of an I-140? Please Susanne4 and Lawrence HELP WITH AN ANSWER! .replbq{width:100%} var LetterVals = { UIStrings : { __last : 'not used' }, StateDynamic : true, yplus_browser : false, premium_user : false, smsintl : "", SidebarSyncActionType : "read", SidebarSyncAuxActionType : "", SidebarSyncUID : "5999", SidebarSyncAuxUID : "", getString : function(id) { var result = this.UIStrings[id]; if ( result == null ) { return "Not translated: '" + id + "'"; } return result; } } var YAHOO = window.YAHOO ? window.YAHOO : {}; if ( !YAHOO.ShortcutsExt ){ YAHOO.ShortcutsExt = {}; YAHOO.ShortcutsExt.CustomConfiguration = {}; } YAHOO.ShortcutsExt.CustomConfiguration.PartnerName = "Yahoo!"; YAHOO.ShortcutsExt.CustomConfiguration.HelpUrl = "http://help.yahoo.com/us/mail/shortcuts";
  13. by   healthcpg
    I got the information below from the USCIS bulletin, I would like to know if a nurse with BSN or MSN will be classified as stated below:

    Second : Members of the Professions Holding Advanced Degrees or Persons of Exceptional Ability: 28.6% of the worldwide employment-based preference level, plus any numbers not required by first preference.


    Is this H-1 or simply a different classification of an I-140? Please Susanne4 and Lawrence HELP WITH AN ANSWER!

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