positive advice about Walden University NP program - page 2

I applied to a very reputable local NP school here in Mississippi. The length of the program was a year and I met all of the qualifications. I was extremely hurt and upset when I received my denial letter. I thought the interview... Read More

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    Um, well first they call them Ivy League schools because of the sports conference they were part of many years ago. It has nothing to do with being prestigious, though all eight schools have become some of the top schools in the world. And many people don't spend 40K a year to attend unless they have it - I went on full scholarship, as Ivy League schools try to ensure no one is burdened by debt to attend. Furthermore, there are MANY schools you can compare to Ivy League schools. Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc. - they can easily be compared to Ivy League schools, so to say no school should be compared to an Ivy League is also false.

    As for Walden - I do feel as though it may hurt graduates, as would any online, for-profit university. I understand the content may be the same, and I truly believe Walden students if they say their program is tough and they feel they are receiving a great education. The problem, however, is that we live in a world of perception. Almost anyone would choose Gucci over K-Mart - even if they were the exact same article of clothing. I once saw an episode of a Penn and Teller show where they charged outrageous amount of money for "special bottled water" that they filled using a garden hose. People thought it was the most amazing water they'd ever had. It's all perception! When an employer has two candidates, one from Columbia and one from Walden, the Walden grad will start out way behind the eight ball. People recognize that top schools have higher standards (vs 98% acceptance rate) and that the students who graduate from there have proven themselves. That is not to say, of course, that NPs who have graduated from online for-profit schools don't find a job eventually, but it is severely limiting. A Walden grad might find a job somewhere where there is a desperate need for NPs and few applicants, but that degree will not help in attaining a very competitive job in a good specialty where 8 or 9 other NPs apply.

    Passing the watered down NP licensing exam (which many people say they could have passed as an RN) does not mean two people are equal, so please don't expect that to be the determining factor.
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    hi didrun
    How are things going for you. I am scheduled to begin on Sept 3.
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    I've been a NP for 8 years and I've owned a very busy practice for 3 years. I precept students from various NP programs. I've had students from brick and mortar schools and online schools. The ones from the "brick and mortar" schools were FAR better prepared than the other ones. One of the online programs even let students take their tests at home (!) before they got into trouble with the Board of Nursing. That school just started having proctored tests last August and 50% of the students failed the first Health Assessment Test. They had a 100% pass rate on their tests before they were proctored. Does that tell you anything?

    I've had some good students from online programs, but even they said other students were getting away with murder. I've heard of NP students paying people to verify they did clinicals with them, even though they never set foot into their clinic. I've heard of NPs having other people take their tests or took them in groups. I've been absolutely floored at what some students didn't know - those students attended online programs. I've had physicians refuse to precept NP students attending online programs after working with a few. A physician told me that he had a student do a PAP and after she inserted the speculum, she turned to the medical assistant and asked, "Is that the cervix?" Oh my goodness, the examples I could give you! Don't think that experienced RNs are all "up to snuff" either. I had a couple with 25 years of ICU, Med-Surg, ER, etc experience and they had absolutely no business being in a graduate program. I also precepted a NP from a brick and mortar school and she only had 2 years of psych experience. I almost didn't take her, but she turned out to be the best student I've ever precepted. So, you honestly never know.

    Any graduate program that has a 98% acceptance rate is probably a diploma mill, as is any graduate program that doesn't even require the GRE, interviews, time on campus or proctored exams. As far as the number of clinical hours and the board exams - WHAT A JOKE! Go ahead, flame me all you want, but I've precepted over 30 students, so I know what I'm talking about. Furthermore, ask yourself, what would you think about a physician who completed their medical school online?
    Last edit by ANPFNPGNP on Jul 10, '13
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    I'm an APN who did my BSN and MSN thru University of Phoenix. I then did two post-MSN certificates at a local online school.

    No one in 7+ years has ever commented on where I got my degrees and I've received offers for every job I applied to.

    Speak to already licensed and credentialed APNs.
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    I am a licensed and credentialed APN.

    For profit schools have very, very, well documented problems. I don't think anyone with a sound mind can argue that.

    Why would you think Walden would magically be the "good" one in a sea of very bad institutions? For profit institutions have lower scores on professional exams, (Field 2011) and higher rates of loan defaults (Deming, 2011)

    What makes Walden different from all these?

    David J. Deming, Claudia Goldin, and Lawrence F. Katz, "The For-Profit Postsecondary School Sector: Nimble Critters or Agile Predators?" National Bureau of Economic Research 2011.

    Kelly Field, Demographics Do Not Explain For-Profit Colleges' Shortcomings on Student-Success Measures, GAO Says, Chronicle of Higher Education, Dec. 7, 2011,Demographics Do Not Explain For-Profits' Shortcomings on Student-Success Measures, GAO Says - Government - The Chronicle of Higher Education
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    Well I have a best friend in the graduating class of 2014..and she said she would not recommend it at this point. She is very frustrated with the way the assessment class and pharm class is set up. She originally attend University of Phoenix to get her BSN after already completing her ADN at a traditional program. She says she would recommend U Of P any day over Walden. I am a FNP, I help her study and I think its pretty challenging and comparable to my school which was in the class room. The difference is, she is learning the same things but doesn't seem to have the support that she needs. She is having a hard time access online assessment videos, and the test are super hard and out of left field. The truth is that online learning is going to take a ton of dedication and it takes the right kind of a person to be able to apply themselves and be responsible for a wealth of knowledge.

    I think it will be a challenge for you, just given what my friend is going through. Daily she says she wants to quit, and if she had it to do again she would not go their. Now, I had a clinical with a student from Fronteir FNP program. He was amazingly smart! That program appears to be excellent from the things he showed me. Very structured and they find your clinicals...or at least they did at that time. Walden does not. I wish I had more positive things to say about Walden. But at the end of the day you have to do what is best for you. Hope this is helpful
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    Thank you, I am still very skeptical and I am scheduled to start class September 3, the only positive thing I have heard is that they are accredited.
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    I am a 20 year nursing veteran. I graduated nursing school from a reputable brick and mortar school. I now attend Walden, and will graduate in Feb of 2014. the classes are very demanding and the program is rigorous to say the least. I also have a friend who is attending a brick and mortar university, and our programs are very comparable, they have to be to be accredited by the CCNE, which requires all curriculum to meet certain standards. All of my professors are doctoral prepared, and most are full time tenured professors at reputable brick and mortar schools. I have asked several of my instructors how Walden programs compare to others, and all have told me that that Walden's is as good or better than most. I already have a job lined up after graduation, with no regard given to where I went to school. This is not an easy school....and it is certainly not a "diploma mill". Walden is a fully accredited university, that will allow you to sit for the state board exam and receive your license to practice. Those who have not attended Walden are just expressing their opinion (which is their right to do), but it doesn't make them right. Do your home work, and if you choose Walden, get your writing shoes on....cuz your gonna do a lot of it!
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    Quote from myelin
    Let's not pretend that a law graduate from Harvard is going to be seen as equivalent and just as desirable to hire as a law grad from Boston Night School, presuming they both pass the New York bar. They might have the same license and the same ability to practice in New York, but their opportunities are going to be very, very different. In competitive markets, you should do everything you can to help yourself. Plus going to a well established school that is affiliated with an academic medical center will help you massively when it comes to networking. NP education is highly, highly variable (unlike med school or PA school). This makes picking a reputable program all the more important.

    OP - You are better than a school with a 98% admission rate (this is true, look it up on US News & World Report).

    edit: I know this will probably offend people who attend Walden. Nothing I have said is untrue. Try and look at it objectively. I'm truly not trying to attack anyone or hurt people's feelings - but the reality is that for-profit education is hugely problematic (not just in the field of nursing - across the board) for many, many reasons. Also asking "for positive advice" only is not really asking for advice, what you're looking for is validation.
    Perhaps one of the reasons someone from Boston Night School is a better bet and gets the job because that is a person who is motivated to get a degree and not an Ivy League "legacy" who gets admitted because their daddy and granddaddy went there.

    Many factors determine who gets hired; it's not just school attended or who you know. It's your work, references and reputation that stand on their own that get you hired.

    It takes a lot of determination to get through any program while you work full time, have a family and a life to attend. If an on-line programs works for you and will help you get ahead, great. If going to a traditional school better suits you, all the better. As long as the school is accredited and you know your stuff, you have learned what you need to learn.

    I worked with an NP who argued about the existence of lung anatomy.
    Last edit by echocat on Nov 10, '13 : Reason: Adding information
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    Hi Mark,
    Did you complete your FNP program at Walden University, I am in the program and I am very nervous about finding preceptor, can you give me som advise. I live in New York but will have to travel to CT, NJ or PA for my clinical please let me hear from you so I can feel at ease.

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