Any 1 year full time NP programs that allow you to become and NP in a year.........I know of Vandy. Are any of these online with clinicals that you can set up in your hometown?
gillijr1001 44 Posts Nov 21, 2007 I would like to know this too...FNP doesnt have to be online but 12 months would be GREAT
Trauma Columnist traumaRUs, MSN, APRN 165 Articles; 21,214 Posts Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU. Has 31 years experience. Nov 22, 2007 Is this the complete MSN or post-MSN certificate. I did my non-clinical MSN in one year then added another full year to complete the clinicals. The clinicals alone are over 500 hours - whew how could you do this in one year?
manna, BSN, RN 2,038 Posts Has 6 years experience. Nov 22, 2007 I have no idea, but Mississippi University for Women has a 12 month FNP program (complete MSN). Not online, though. http://www.muw.edu/nursing/gradprog/
caldje 177 Posts Nov 22, 2007 I have no idea, but Mississippi University for Women has a 12 month FNP program (complete MSN). Not online, though. http://www.muw.edu/nursing/gradprog/wow, someone should make a list of these programs and publish them for patients and hiring physicians. I would hate to be treated by someone who couldn't stand to go a WHOLE 2 years and found a program that was only one year. No way you could become competent in that period of time.
core0 1,828 Posts Nov 22, 2007 wow, someone should make a list of these programs and publish them for patients and hiring physicians. I would hate to be treated by someone who couldn't stand to go a WHOLE 2 years and found a program that was only one year. No way you could become competent in that period of time.Why is this any different. The time doesn't matter the content does. The only reason that most NP programs are two years are that they are conducted within the traditional college credit system. Given that you are only in class 18 hours or less per week it is pretty easy to do that in two years. If you look at the Missouri program they do 13 credit hours per semester. This would equal 6 1/2 hours per day two days a week leaving 3 days per week for clinicals. 8 hours per day x 3 days x 18 hours = 432 clinical hours per semester. If you really wanted to you could do class 3 days per week x 6 hours and clinicals two days per week for 8 hours. That would meet requirements for all NP hours but FNP. For FNP a few Saturdays and Sundays any you could do a FNP in nine months. Now this would not allow working during school or pretty much anything else. For comparison the Stanford PA program or the UC/Davis program is 15 month pretty much on this type of schedule. This met the requirements for FNP (still does in California) until the MSN mandate.David Carpenter, PA-C
caldje 177 Posts Nov 23, 2007 Why is this any different. The time doesn't matter the content does. The only reason that most NP programs are two years are that they are conducted within the traditional college credit system. Given that you are only in class 18 hours or less per week it is pretty easy to do that in two years. If you look at the Missouri program they do 13 credit hours per semester. This would equal 6 1/2 hours per day two days a week leaving 3 days per week for clinicals. 8 hours per day x 3 days x 18 hours = 432 clinical hours per semester. If you really wanted to you could do class 3 days per week x 6 hours and clinicals two days per week for 8 hours. That would meet requirements for all NP hours but FNP. For FNP a few Saturdays and Sundays any you could do a FNP in nine months. Now this would not allow working during school or pretty much anything else. For comparison the Stanford PA program or the UC/Davis program is 15 month pretty much on this type of schedule. This met the requirements for FNP (still does in California) until the MSN mandate.David Carpenter, PA-CIf you reread my post you will see what I was talking about doesn't really have anything to do with what you are saying. I was simply stating I wouldn't want to been seen by, or employ an NP who couldn't even stand the thought of two years of education and searched down a one year program. They obviously aren't looking for the best education, just the fastest.p.s.- time does matter. repetition is necessary for retention and there is a limited amount of time in every day.
core0 1,828 Posts Nov 23, 2007 If you reread my post you will see what I was talking about doesn't really have anything to do with what you are saying. I was simply stating I wouldn't want to been seen by, or employ an NP who couldn't even stand the thought of two years of education and searched down a one year program. They obviously aren't looking for the best education, just the fastest.p.s.- time does matter. repetition is necessary for retention and there is a limited amount of time in every day.I would look at it a different way. This would be an NP that was devoted enough to do a program full time without working. The eye on the prize so to speak. Also I will state again time does not matter. You get no more repetition from 39 credits spread over two years than you do with the same amount of material in one year. You could argue absorption if you want but if you look at retention studies it would be a mixed bag. At least for PAs most actual learning and retention occurs in the first year of practice. School simply gives you the basic tools to do the job, work is where you put the principle into practice (in my opinion). David Carpenter, PA-C
Lorelai22RN, RN 72 Posts Specializes in Med/Tele. Has 2 years experience. Nov 23, 2007 If you reread my post you will see what I was talking about doesn't really have anything to do with what you are saying. I was simply stating I wouldn't want to been seen by, or employ an NP who couldn't even stand the thought of two years of education and searched down a one year program. They obviously aren't looking for the best education, just the fastest.p.s.- time does matter. repetition is necessary for retention and there is a limited amount of time in every day.Dont be so judgemental. Would you feel the same about accelerated BSN programs that are only a year? Also, Vanderbilt which is a great schools has NP programs that are a yearlong if you go full-time.....that is some faulty logic my friend, that you feel someone wouldnt want to be seen by someone who "couldnt stand 2 yeard of ed. Everyone is different and as long as the content is sufficient and is accredited and prepares you well for boards........it shouldnt be a problem. I was simply asking a question..........don't be so hasty to make opinions of those who who wentg to 1 year programs, I am sure there are many who did and are capable.
caldje 177 Posts Nov 23, 2007 I would look at it a different way. This would be an NP that was devoted enough to do a program full time without working. The eye on the prize so to speak. Also I will state again time does not matter. You get no more repetition from 39 credits spread over two years than you do with the same amount of material in one year. You could argue absorption if you want but if you look at retention studies it would be a mixed bag. At least for PAs most actual learning and retention occurs in the first year of practice. School simply gives you the basic tools to do the job, work is where you put the principle into practice (in my opinion). David Carpenter, PA-CSo if you think that most of the learning is done the year after graduating that is basically saying "time doesn't matter" but then saying in the next sentence "most learning is done in the 'year' AFTER graduation." I would think that means that time does matter since it takes a year after graduation to get the repetition to retain material.Why do you think MD programs are 4 years? Because they need the time to cover the material.. right?
caldje 177 Posts Nov 23, 2007 Dont be so judgemental. Would you feel the same about accelerated BSN programs that are only a year? Also, Vanderbilt which is a great schools has NP programs that are a yearlong if you go full-time.....that is some faulty logic my friend, that you feel someone wouldnt want to be seen by someone who "couldnt stand 2 yeard of ed. Everyone is different and as long as the content is sufficient and is accredited and prepares you well for boards........it shouldnt be a problem. I was simply asking a question..........don't be so hasty to make opinions of those who who wentg to 1 year programs, I am sure there are many who did and are capable.We are sharing our opinions. My opinion is that it takes more than one year to learn to safely practice at the level of an NP. Prior nursing experience would make a difference if it was in the same specialty and involved a lot of exposure to the diagnosis and treatment being made and given by the docs. i.e.- 5 years on a cardiology floor and 1 year to become cardiology NP. But that is not liekly what is happening.Sure, a one year program can be accredited and you can pass the boards if you work hard, but it is still a red flag to me that there are one year NP programs out there. I dont think these programs could possibly graduate as competent of a provider as the 3 year part time and 2 year full time programs without requiring much more experience prior to acceptance.If you were to honestly step back and look at the situation, who would you want to hire... honestly.. if they were interviewed right next to eachother. Do you think the question would come up from a doc? "So, I see your program was only one year long. Do you think that prepairs you to be a primary care provider?"I am just being honest, and think we should all strive to be at the top of our respective professions as apposed to doing the minimum required but in the end it is up to you and what I say doesn't matter much at all. Either way, I am sure if you are very dedicated you will eventually become a great provider.
Lorelai22RN, RN 72 Posts Specializes in Med/Tele. Has 2 years experience. Nov 23, 2007 We are sharing our opinions. My opinion is that it takes more than one year to learn to safely practice at the level of an NP. Prior nursing experience would make a difference if it was in the same specialty and involved a lot of exposure to the diagnosis and treatment being made and given by the docs. i.e.- 5 years on a cardiology floor and 1 year to become cardiology NP. But that is not liekly what is happening.Sure, a one year program can be accredited and you can pass the boards if you work hard, but it is still a red flag to me that there are one year NP programs out there. I dont think these programs could possibly graduate as competent of a provider as the 3 year part time and 2 year full time programs without requiring much more experience prior to acceptance.If you were to honestly step back and look at the situation, who would you want to hire... honestly.. if they were interviewed right next to eachother. Do you think the question would come up from a doc? "So, I see your program was only one year long. Do you think that prepairs you to be a primary care provider?"I am just being honest, and think we should all strive to be at the top of our respective professions as apposed to doing the minimum required but in the end it is up to you and what I say doesn't matter much at all. Either way, I am sure if you are very dedicated you will eventually become a great provider.I am dedicated and if I choose to get my MSN and be and NP, I hope the training will be thorough and I wont be judged by the length of my program, by the time I will start in the fall, I will have been practicing as an RN for 2 years. The program I am looking to start is 2 years long for FT students..........I just think quality is more important than quality when it comes to year long programs. Hopefully, my future employers will feel the same.
