Would you ever give a lower dose of a psych medicine to a patient if that patient demanded it without a provider order?

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I'm a night-shift inpatient Psych RN for eleven months, and this situation happened two nights ago. It was a very chaotic unit, with multiple emergency meds given to several patients already.

One of my patients comes up to the medication room for his meds. I see on his MAR that his psychiatrist has gone up on his Seroquel dose from 400 to 500 today. Show him the Seroquel 500 and he starts flipping out, going off about how the doctor really upped his dose too much without telling him, and saying he'll only take 400 but not 500. He ends up on the phone threatening to act out on the unit.

I've paged the resident on-call telling him the situation. Resident calls back and says "No, either he takes the 500 [the orders] or he refuses. If he ends up needing a shot, we'll give him a shot".

However, the house supervisor RN is on my unit, and she's telling me, "Just give him the 400! This is psych, we can give them a lower dose if that's all they'll take!" I told her that I can't just give a different dose without the doctor's orders, and moreover the resident already said no. She calls up the incoming night-shift supervisor and is trying to get him to agree with her. I'm angry at this point and say, "You can give it if you want to, I'm not giving it". She ends up giving it and charting it under her name. She told me to make sure to put in my nursing progress note he got 400 instead of 500, which I did.

Who was right here? Me or this nursing supervisor?

Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
6 hours ago, Orca said:

I was once given an order along those lines that was impossible to carry out as written. The patient was prescribed oral Geodon, to be taken with meals. If she refused the PO, she was to be given a Geodon injection before she ate. She was already eating when she refused the PO, since it was supposed to be given with food.

I just read the instruction for Geodon injection - Only oral Geodon needs to be given with food as it requires stomach acids to break down in get into the system. Geodon inject can be given even if the patient has not eaten anything for days.

Specializes in Hospice, corrections, psychiatry, rehab, LTC.
On 6/4/2020 at 7:25 PM, hppygr8ful said:

I just read the instruction for Geodon injection - Only oral Geodon needs to be given with food as it requires stomach acids to break down in get into the system. Geodon inject can be given even if the patient has not eaten anything for days.

We were all aware of that - but the way that the physician wrote the order, it was impossible to comply if the patient refused the PO.

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