Why do nurses "eat their young"?

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I'm in my last semester of nursing school and have met so many amazing nurses in my clinical experiences. These nurses were patient and willing to take a minute in their busy day to teach or allow me observe.

Of course I have also met nurses who wanted nothing to do with us students. I've had nurses roll their eyes at me when being assigned a student, nurses introduce themselves by telling me "stay outta my way", nurses that don't want me to do anything with their patients, nurses that say "your assessments don't count, you're just a student", I've had nurses say "I don't get paid to teach", nurses that have been mean and rude. Why??? Haven't these nurses been new? Students Eager to learn?

So last week on Medsurge unit in our "teaching hospital" I knew I was in for a long day when I saw my assignment. I worked with this nurse once and had heard nothing but horror stories from other students. I started by introducing myself [received an eye roll], and let her know my assignment included med administration, labs (blood draw from central line), general nursing care, and of course shift assessments. Her response a sarcastic "great". I prepared my meds and discussed them with my instructor. As we headed into the room to administer the nurse was already there giving meds. "You took too long" she said. I apologized and explained I needed to do them with my instructor. She also did the blood draw. My day went on like this.

Frustrated I caught her at the nurses station and asked if we could talk. I asked her "what made you want to be a nurse? Do you remember being a student?" She didn't answer. Then I said " I feel like I am an inconvenience, I want nothing more to be a great nurse and in order to do so I need to learn from someone with the same passion". I then walked away. 30 minutes later she came up to me and said that she thinks we have it easy. Computers and nclex prep courses we are just taught to pass an exam. Although I don't fully disagree I did explain that the nursing field is growing and medical advances, increasing comorbitities, and advancing technology does not make it any easier to learn. She then said "I wanted to be a nurse to take care of people, to be respected, and to make a change... I almost forgot". Aside from my end of shift report we didn't talk again.

Since this day my fellow students have said she's a great nurse, willing to teach and patient.

Moral of my king story -- stick up for yourself and never forget why you want to be a nurse.

But at the same time, put yourself in the nurse's shoes. Maybe the nurse has a huge workload. Or maybe the nurse had a patient die two hours before the students showed up. Or maybe this nurse was working her 5 12 hour shift of the week.

I completely agree, what you describe there is a potential "burnt out nurse," which unfortunately means he/she will be a horrible mentor towards nursing students. I have been taught time and time again in my classes and clinicals that it is important to be aware of my limits, strengths and weaknesses as a nurse so that I do not get "burnt out" in the future when I become a rn, not only because it will be bad for myself, but because it could affect my care of patients. So I do not understand why it's the student's fault for eagerly and respectfully trying to do her job to help the nurse.

Specializes in Critical Care.

Having been a student just 8 months ago and now the nurse who at times gets assigned the student, you simply cannot place blame on the nurse. The nurse is there to do a job, the student can be an added benefit or a complete mess up.

You are assigned a patient, great, why are you (not the OP) hiding on the opposite side of the facility and not answering your assigned patients call light? There are amazing nursing students and equally as much there are students who still need a lot of help.

You can't expect the nursing staff to take the additional time to see if you know more than the color of your stethoscope. The nurse shouldn't have to go looking for you or have to instruct a final semester student on how to properly place a patient on a bedpan.

For every exceptional student that is able to provide excellent care there are four who you wouldn't let care for your pet rock and probably would be too afraid to touch it anyways.

And this notion that since the nurse works at a teaching hospital they should be prepared to teach whatever walks through the door each semester needs to stop.

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You are assigned a patient, great, why are you (not the OP) hiding on the opposite side of the facility and not answering your assigned patients call light? There are amazing nursing students and equally as much there are students who still need a lot of help.

You can't expect the nursing staff to take the additional time to see if you know more than the color of your stethoscope. The nurse shouldn't have to go looking for you or have to instruct a final semester student on how to properly place a patient on a bedpan.

I'm confused, where in the OP's post did it say that she was expecting any of what you describe from the nurse? She was readily doing what she was supposed to, the nurse did not have to go looking for her to do anything. The OP had the medications ready to be administered, she wasn't trying to avoid a call light or looking at her stethoscope to determine its color....

Specializes in Critical Care.
I'm confused, where in the OP's post did it say that she was expecting any of what you describe from the nurse? She was readily doing what she was supposed to, the nurse did not have to go looking for her to do anything. The OP had the medications ready to be administered, she wasn't trying to avoid a call light or looking at her stethoscope to determine its color....

Your confusion probably comes from not understanding that I was speaking in a generic form. As I stated "not the OP"; OP= original poster. Just as we are speaking in general terms of the "nurses" who eat their young, I too was speaking in general terms of the "student nurses."

I understood what you wrote, I just thought it was off topic. The OP asked why nurses eat their young, are you trying to say that nurses never do this? or that if they behave a certain way its always the students fault? If not, then I think the OP was asking for the reasons for the times that it does happen?

Specializes in Critical Care.
I'm confused, where in the OP's post did it say...

You just told me you were confused.

I understood what you wrote, I just thought it was off topic...

In a discussion, which I believe is what we are all attempting to have here, you would want to look at ever angle of a situation. Right? You are quick to say nurses are eating their young, and in my opinion, the nursing student is equally at fault. In a conversation about nurses and nursing students, my opinion (on nursing students) is not off topic.

I would say that in my previous post I was not quick to say nurses eat their young. In fact I gave specific reasons as to why I thought some nurses eat their young, because as I said before, that is what I thought the OP was asking. As for saying I was confused? I'm sorry I guess I should have considered that sarcasm would not translate well on here, although in many other threads other posters seem to catch eachother's quips.

Telling the OP that nurses might treat students poorly because we "don't know the color of our stethoscope," wasn't very helpful in her situation since she had already explained that she was being respectful and ready to take on tasks. Were you trying to imply that because you think some students do not know their colors, nurses can treat all students equally poorly?

NOM NOM NOM!!!

Today I was literally swimming in a sea of first year nursing students from two different schools(20 students in all).

5 of my 6 patients had a student nurse and I had an orientee(2nd week on the floor). The students were passing the morning meds with instructors and providing AM care. I gave report to those 5 students, 2 instructors as well as my orientee and 2 cnas; spoke with 8 different doctors about all 6 of my patients during their rounds; updated the care coordinator and charge nurse; assess the patients and give any meds students can't; field calls from lab/pharmacy/OR/specials/family members etc. Did I mention this is just the first 3hrs of my 12hr shift?

During this whirlwind of activity I was polite, nice, smiled and provided answers to questions asked of me by the students. Yes I probably walked quickly past said students seemingly ignoring their stare down as they attempted to get my attention at one time or another. Yes my answers were probably short, concise and to the point without much elaboration like some are accustomed to in the classroom setting. Yes they probably even heard me take a deep breath in and let it out from time to time while charting or prior to speaking(deep breaths in and blow them out to stay calm/centered, right?)

So to those students that feel like they are being eaten take some of this into consideration the next time you think or say "nurses eat their young".

P.s.for as long as nurses have been eating their young, there really shouldn't be any nurses left c:

Specializes in Psych, LTC/SNF, Rehab, Corrections.

Nurses eat docs. Docs eat nurses. Docs eat docs. Nurses eat nurses. When I shot xray/ct, senior techs were mean as hell to new rad techs. New rad techs are always afraid to go to the OR because surgeons tend to throw tantrums. Don't know if they still do but when I first began in healthcare (which wasn't long ago), docs were still pretty much allowed to throw fits and bully everyone in the room.

I never heard of this 'nurses eat their young' jazz until I became one. In reality, everyone in healthcare is famished and feasting on everything that moves. LOL

I will say that I've always thought it ridiculous the ways in which some nurses treat student nurses. Lotta nurses are just plain rude. I won't pretend. It's true.

Yeah, I used to get students thrust upon me when I was in a different section of the hospital. These days, every time I turn around, I have to 'orient'/orientate (??) a new hire. I don't know why I'm always being picked to do this crap!

But, I do it because it's not the fault of the nurse or student that I'm busy and don't want to. We can have a great day or a crappy day. Let's just get through the day. If I'm tasked with the responsibility, it's my job to train them effectively. So, I just suck it up, slap on a smile and go about training.

Some nursing students need to understand that it's not 'all about them', though.

All in all, I really don't think the nurse's response qualified as 'eating young'. Toughen up, OP.

"Frustrated I caught her at the nurses station and asked if we could talk. I asked her "what made you want to be a nurse? Do you remember being a student?" She didn't answer."

I wouldn't have answered, either. People have work to do. She had work to do. She was being thrown behind...and here you were with this, 'I'm flustered. Let's talk: What made you want to be a nurse?'

Ain't nobody one got time for that! LOL

Frankly, all of that yakking and emoting from your end would've had me requesting another student.

Specializes in Anesthesia, ICU, PCU.

Honestly I like seeing the nursing students on my floor. I'm on night shift so I only see them just before I'm about to give report and leave, but I offer to print out our hospital's report sheet for them, tell them a little bit about the patient if I'm only giving updates to the oncoming RN, find them and include them in our report, little tips and tricks that I would've liked to know here and there. I was a nursing student just

I must say though: while most are just timid or shy, some of them rub off on me as sort of overbearing. Like they feel like they have to prove themselves or be especially "nurse-ly" by being ardently vocal about their patient advocacy. I remember in nursing school when students would revisit their clinical experience in class discussion there was occasionally talk of "what the nurse didn't do" or some portrayal of how the student showed leadership or went above and beyond.

The mentality makes sense to me. The better you look in clinical, the higher your grade, and that's (what many believe is) the point of school right? Ya gotta realize (and I didn't until I just recently got into a groove at work) that the nurses who have been working for a while are just trying to do their 12 hours of nursing in such a way that their head isn't spinning and their knees aren't throbbing afterwards. They're not just there for 5 hours or however doing whatever task or goal is set by the instructor that week. They're doing everything mentally, physically, and socially that is demanded by this job. And for afull assignment. School can be hard, but real world nursing is harder IMHO. You'll get it soon, don't rush it :)

With the competitiveness needed to get accepted into a nursing program, I believe it begins in pre-nursing.

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