So I'm having a little bit of difficulty understanding this. Why is everybody competitive in nursing?
We're all getting the same degree, and you don't need high marks to get a Masters and/or NP. I've found that many people like to brag and frequently get upset at other people's accomplishments in nursing (for example, grades).
I've noticed this more among my peer group when I started my business plan. They doubted me at first, called it stupid, and interrogated me frequently. Now that my business is up and running, they expect me to hire them into my home care agency and I feel like they're waiting for me to fail. Don't get me wrong, I don't brag. I only talk about it in school when I'm asked about the subject or asked what I want to do after graduation. I know it's this stupid competitive vibe that's going around, and I'd really like to understand how to avoid this negativity.
I'm not talking about all of the students, but it's really becoming a trend.
For the record, I think it's wonderful that you're pushing yourself. You seem driven. You're working hard to do what you want. All good things, and worthy of a *little* bragging. But. (There's always a but. And this is a big but. I can't lie about that.) You mention your business on almost every post! You find some way to incorporate you, yourself, your business, your accomplishments into everything. If you do this to your classmates, then yeah...they will get annoyed. There's only so many times you can toot your own horn before someone tries to throw your horn into the sharps container.
And if someone, like elkpark, isn't your biggest fan, you tell them to go away, like they have no right to be on this free internet forum.
Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate the positive comments!
I can completely see why you would think that. I probably gave off a wrong impression, but I really felt a need to defend myself.
Just to clear some things up so there's no confusion;
I only mention my business when I am asked, same with this forum. Many people have looked at my profile, commented on my business, and I've always replied back, even when it's completely unrelated. Believe me, I don't want to have to prove myself or my business on an internet forum, but I don't want people thinking I'm a liar. You can check every post where I mentioned my business, and you'll see that it's on a related topic OR somebody mentioned me in a post regarding my business.
I'll admit there was one post where I did mention it first, and it was wrong of me. However, I felt I was being personally attacked and accused of being "lazy or a liar" (I don't remember exactly), and I felt I had to defend myself by saying, "How could I be lazy when I have a business and get straight As and blah blah blah." Yeah, it was stupid.
I absolutely NEVER mention my business to my classmates unless I am asked specifically. I watch my bragging in person, and always check myself when I feel the need to brag. I only "brag," on this forum when I feel that I need to prove myself. I realize it is very rude to brag and I really don't feel like answering a million questions or sending my classmates my 30 page business plan on, "How am I going to do this?" and "How is this possible?"
elkpark has been following many of my posts. I feel his/her comments are unproductive and unrelated, and I'd prefer to stay on topic without any negativity. I've had administrators come to my posts to delete multiple negative comments, with "personal attacks," as the administrator stated, on my posts.
I realize I have no right to complain about the opinions and posts of others, but I really prefer to stay on topic and not defend and brag about myself among many professionals.
I always appreciate positive comments like yours and will happily and respectfully reply! :)
However, they also look at the years of experience that you have. Some grad programs take that as more of an influential factor for acceptance, and vice versa.
In my experience, I knew nurses who got into the school with 3-8 years experience, and many got in with the bare minimum grades. But that's only 5 nurses that I know of, and one took some half online, half in course program. They also conduct an interview and collect resumes, like medical schools and MBA programs, so that will be a factor as well.
I'm not entirely sure how competitive NP programs are, because I haven't found the statistics.
I can't imagine it to be anywhere near as competitive as medical school. The only people that can get into these programs are nurses with masters degrees in Canada (which is not very many), and the masters degree has the same minimum requirements as well.
I think it's the overall field. Nursing and other medical programs/fields are highly competitive to get into, and highly competitive once you're out (whether to get a job, or go onto more school). So I think for many, it's always been a competition, a pissing contest, a feeling you must stand out compared to the person next to you, and that's a hard cycle to break once you have been doing it for so many years. I'm not saying I like it, but I have found myself feeling like I'm not good enough or am being made look bad when a person does better than me in class, thus that resentment can easily fester to anger, to unhealthy competition, even when there is no real need for any. I just try and remember what my dad always told me "there will always be someone better than you at some point" it's just life and it is what it is. People get caught up in everyone around them instead of worrying about the most important thing, themselves.
I think it's the overall field. Nursing and other medical programs/fields are highly competitive to get into, and highly competitive once you're out (whether to get a job, or go onto more school). So I think for many, it's always been a competition, a pissing contest, a feeling you must stand out compared to the person next to you, and that's a hard cycle to break once you have been doing it for so many years. I'm not saying I like it, but I have found myself feeling like I'm not good enough or am being made look bad when a person does better than me in class, thus that resentment can easily fester to anger, to unhealthy competition, even when there is no real need for any. I just try and remember what my dad always told me "there will always be someone better than you at some point" it's just life and it is what it is. People get caught up in everyone around them instead of worrying about the most important thing, themselves.
Completely agree. You said what I was thinking very eloquently :)
Nurses, like doctors, need to have strong ummm... personalities..convictions...belief in themselves..."insert your favorite adjective here". I want a surgeon with confidence, I want my nurse to be confident when they putting an iv in me. The only problem with that, is, as a co-worker to these people...strong personalities lead to strong wills, strong ideas, and strong head-butting. I try to go about my business and stay out of the fray, but make no mistake, just because I am quieter doesn't mean I have any less confidence...just means I am going to listen to you, say something, "Oh I see", and go on doing it the way I know to be right. Its a shame people have to have, like Fatswaller said, "a pissing contest". We should be united.. never will be though and maybe that's okay to a point?? leads to new ideas and processes.
Nurses, like doctors, need to have strong ummm... personalities..convictions...belief in themselves..."insert your favorite adjective here". I want a surgeon with confidence, I want my nurse to be confident when they putting an iv in me. The only problem with that, is, as a co-worker to these people...strong personalities lead to strong wills, strong ideas, and strong head-butting. I try to go about my business and stay out of the fray, but make no mistake, just because I am quieter doesn't mean I have any less confidence...just means I am going to listen to you, say something, "Oh I see", and go on doing it the way I know to be right. Its a shame people have to have, like Fatswaller said, "a pissing contest". We should be united.. never will be though and maybe that's okay to a point?? leads to new ideas and processes.
That's a really good perspective and I never thought of it that way. You're basically saying that this confidence leads to a sense of righteousness and superiority, and consequently a lot of head-butting.
I suppose that is understandable. I think it's preferable to have head-butting and confidence than the opposite, hahaha :)
I only mention my business when I am asked, same with this forum. Many people have looked at my profile, commented on my business, and I've always replied back, even when it's completely unrelated. Believe me, I don't want to have to prove myself or my business on an internet forum, but I don't want people thinking I'm a liar. You can check every post where I mentioned my business, and you'll see that it's on a related topic OR somebody mentioned me in a post regarding my business.
I'll admit there was one post where I did mention it first, and it was wrong of me.
These are all the threads/humble brags you started mentioning your agency/trying to start your agency (which, by the way, you certainly got that business off to a quick start).
Please learn to be more self-aware. It makes all the difference in your professional/business/personal dealings in life.
These are all the threads/humble brags you started mentioning your agency/trying to start your agency (which, by the way, you certainly got that business off to a quick start).
Please learn to be more self-aware. It makes all the difference in your professional/business/personal dealings in life.
Thank you for taking the trouble to find all of those links. However, I put those threads up there for the purpose of finding like-minded individuals who can give me advice, which is the purpose of the majority of threads on AN. And I did find these individuals through private messages. I don't really care if you think they are "humble brags."
And thank you for the advice. I don't think it was that quick, I've been working on the business plan for 5 months.
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Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate the positive comments!
I can completely see why you would think that. I probably gave off a wrong impression, but I really felt a need to defend myself.
Just to clear some things up so there's no confusion;
I only mention my business when I am asked, same with this forum. Many people have looked at my profile, commented on my business, and I've always replied back, even when it's completely unrelated. Believe me, I don't want to have to prove myself or my business on an internet forum, but I don't want people thinking I'm a liar. You can check every post where I mentioned my business, and you'll see that it's on a related topic OR somebody mentioned me in a post regarding my business.
I'll admit there was one post where I did mention it first, and it was wrong of me. However, I felt I was being personally attacked and accused of being "lazy or a liar" (I don't remember exactly), and I felt I had to defend myself by saying, "How could I be lazy when I have a business and get straight As and blah blah blah." Yeah, it was stupid.
I absolutely NEVER mention my business to my classmates unless I am asked specifically. I watch my bragging in person, and always check myself when I feel the need to brag. I only "brag," on this forum when I feel that I need to prove myself. I realize it is very rude to brag and I really don't feel like answering a million questions or sending my classmates my 30 page business plan on, "How am I going to do this?" and "How is this possible?"
elkpark has been following many of my posts. I feel his/her comments are unproductive and unrelated, and I'd prefer to stay on topic without any negativity. I've had administrators come to my posts to delete multiple negative comments, with "personal attacks," as the administrator stated, on my posts.
I realize I have no right to complain about the opinions and posts of others, but I really prefer to stay on topic and not defend and brag about myself among many professionals.
I always appreciate positive comments like yours and will happily and respectfully reply! :)