What is the afterlife like?

opalbee · Feb 1, 2018

[repeat post by accident]

EGspirit · Feb 1, 2018

I was not using inductive reasoning to come to my conclusion. It's a fact that if you connect a sleeping person to an EEG you can see delta (dream) waves. It is also a fact that a deceased person produces no delta waves on an EEG, therefore the deceased do not dream.
Deductive reasoning.

You're still wrong. Delta waves on an EEG indicate a functioning brain. They do not represent a functioning mind--at least not necessarily. So, you're still spouting faith and trying to sound like an intellectual. It's not working.

In [With] all due respect, if you are using faith as your logic behind [to support] an existing dream state beyond life, and [then] that is your belief, [.] I'm afraid I won't be able to continue the discussion on that basis only [alone].

Trust me--you're not up for this discussion. Disappointed_anim

EGspirit · Feb 1, 2018

When a person dies they are dead and not capable of dreaming or any other activity that a living person experiences.

Really? How do you know that?

While I would like to believe that there is something beyond waiting for me. I'm not sure what it is. Buffy the vampire slayer season six episode 3 is as good an answer as any. She went to a state of "Perfect Peace" and she was "Happy" knowing "My work was done."
Hppy

Well, according to you, there's nothing. And you stated that categorically up above, so, Buffy notwithstanding, you seem to already know there's nothing. I just want to know how you know that so I can stop worrying about it.

EGspirit · Feb 1, 2018

I think that if, when we die, our deeper self goes on subject to the Karma (assuming Karma exists) we created for ourselves through our thoughts and actions when we were alive, different conditions will apply.
My understanding is that our dreams derive from our unconscious mind while we are alive.

I could certainly agree with that to some extent, because the experiences we have here in this life, are what we make dreams out of when we sleep. So, it may very well be the case that the universe we go to--we are creating now in our minds.

opalbee · Feb 1, 2018

Really? How do you know that?

Actually someone already answered that for you so let me just re-post it:

Quote from: Mr_Edwino, CNA

"I was not using inductive reasoning to come to my conclusion. It's a fact that if you connect a sleeping person to an EEG you can see delta (dream) waves. It is also a fact that a deceased person produces no delta waves on an EEG, therefore the deceased do not dream.

Deductive reasoning.

In all due respect, if you are using faith as your logic behind an existing dream state beyond life, and that is your belief, I'm afraid I won't be able to continue the discussion on that basis only."

EGspirit · Feb 1, 2018

I'm ignorant, but you're not, even though you told SpankedInPittsburgh that you didn't think he was the type of person who would have an afterlife, but you are because your dreams tell you you are? As if you have the authority to state who is going to have an afterlife and who's not?

It's not some kind of judgement on SIP. It's the fact that he or she simply leads a material existence and probably doesn't want an afterlife. Maybe we have to want it to get it. But I still believe that some people will and some won't. I mean, not every see that is formed in the oranges of an orchard become an orange tree. In fact, very very few.

I'm absolutely astounded by the stupidity of your comments.

You're the one in my post; I'm not in yours.

but I'm only 21 and don't really want to worry about death and my eternal fate at, the moment.

That's why you sound ignorant. Why are you in this thread at all if that's the case? Besides, you can dies as easily as me at any moment. Age doesn't prevent one from trying their hand at philosophy. But hey, sit there and suck on a lollipop while scrolling down your phone for all I care. Again, you're the one who's here. I didn't PM this conversation to you.

EGspirit · Feb 1, 2018

Actually someone already answered that for you so let me just re-post it:
Quote from: Mr_Edwino, CNA

Are you two twins?

No sir, we are not relations.

--Forest Gump

opalbee · Feb 1, 2018

Are you two twins?

No sir, we are not relations.
--Forest Gump

I would be proud to be his twin, so I'll take that as a compliment. :geek:

opalbee · Feb 1, 2018

Okay lol this is gonna be good :cheeky:

It's not some kind of judgement on SIP. It's the fact that he or she simply leads a material existence and probably doesn't want an afterlife. Maybe we have to want it to get it. But I still believe that some people will and some won't. I mean, not every see that is formed in the oranges of an orchard become an orange tree. In fact, very very few.
I'm absolutely astounded by the stupidity of your comments.
You're the one in my post; I'm not in yours.

Here's a plot twist, how do you know that SIP wants to simply "lead a material existence" for sure? And how do you know that you are "one of the people" who will pass on?

You called me ignorant, but let's take a look at a definition of said word:

lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

I used my education and evidence to point out what I believed. You used your dreams.

Secondly, your thread was asking the community about what they thought happened in the afterlife, and I answered that. My answer wasn't to please you or your idea of what the afterlife was like, it was a general response to whoever was interested and wanted to talk about it.

Third, you're the one who then took my post and somehow made it personal, calling me ignorant, ironically. Apparently, you weren't wanting comments from people who came to their conclusion from science, or from any belief different from yours . Did you only want comments that gave you greater comfort in your own beliefs?

Fourth, I'm also still very confused about how I am ignorant for coming to my conclusion from evidence, but you're not ignorant for also coming to a conclusion, that goes so far as to claim that you know the individual people who are going to pass on and those who aren't because of your dreams.

That's why you sound ignorant. Why are you in this thread at all if that's the case? Besides, you can dies as easily as me at any moment. Age doesn't prevent one from trying their hand at philosophy. But hey, sit there and suck on a lollipop while scrolling down your phone for all I care. Again, you're the one who's here. I didn't PM this conversation to you.

I'm confused- so how do I sound ignorant? "Age doesn't prevent any one from trying their hand at philosophy" -- Okay, oh wise one, who ignores scientific evidence and calls people ignorant out of no where, because they use their education to help them form their beliefs, and who is soooo open-minded, because you didn't not look up one thing. Why don't you go ahead and look up Stephen Hawking's theory now and tell me about it? I think I actually want to know now. :yes:

And believe it or not, I didn't come onto this thread for you :inlove: I came on here to answer the question to participate in the conversation with the rest of the community. Then you decided to attack me because you didn't like what I had to say. :banhappy:

Mr_Edwino · Feb 1, 2018

You're still wrong. Delta waves on an EEG indicate a functioning brain. They do not represent a functioning mind--at least not necessarily
Trust me--you're not up for this discussion.

mind (mÄ«nd)

n.

1. The human consciousness that originates in the brain and is manifested especially in thought, perception, emotion, will, memory, and imagination. -medical dictionary

The mind originates in the brain, how about that? This is too easy, seriously. I wouldn't expect you understand though, you can't even use the quote function correctly. BTW, correcting my English using synonyms for my word choices does not bolster your effort in trying to appear intellectual. The only fallacy in my intelligence at this point is choosing to continue this idiotic discussion.

allnurses Guide · Feb 2, 2018

Really? How do you know that?
Well, according to you, there's nothing. And you stated that categorically up above, so, Buffy notwithstanding, you seem to already know there's nothing. I just want to know how you know that so I can stop worrying about it.

I fail to see how my statement that a dead brain does not dream is an assertion from me that there is no after life. I actually never said that. Don't put words in my mouth. Just because my belief differs from yours does not make mine less valid than yours.

The religion I was raised in believes that when a person dies they no longer have need of their physical body. The soul departs the body and goes on to another plane of existence.

It appears that you started this thread in order to criticize the opinions of others. Some people believe that when you are dead your are dead and your being ceases to exist. Christians believe they will go to heaven if they have been good and hell if they have not. Followers of Islam believe in after life as well but I don't know enough about it to comment on what that is. Far East spiritualism believes in reincarnation. All these beliefs are very valid to the people who believe them. Whatever allow you to sleep though the night is ok with me.

Hppy

allnurses Guide · Feb 2, 2018

Fair enough. The rest of what you wrote I have no comment on, except to say there is scientific proof that mind can exist without any neurology whatsoever. But that doesn't matter in this response to you. You believe in a cessation of existence, and that's a fair assumption.

Please cite your evidence based peer reviewed source for this proof you speak of and don't forget to use APA format.

Hppy