Were their any teen moms here?? Re: NS project

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Specializes in Urgent Care NP, Emergency Nursing, Camp Nursing.

Do you have IRB approval for this?

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
Do you have IRB approval for this?

What is IRB?

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
What is IRB?

I just googled this, are you talking about the approval to use humans for research? I am not using any humans for research. I am educating teen parents on some important things concerning kids that might get over looked for this group. I could have picked to go and teach 4 year olds about healthy eating, but being a teen mom myself, this topic was dear to me.

Specializes in Urgent Care NP, Emergency Nursing, Camp Nursing.

You asked this question in order to solicit responses:

Anyway, if you were a teen parent, looking back now and learning what you have learned, are their things you have learned now that you wish you would have been taught back when you were in that situation?

You're asking human subjects in a non-anonymous situation a qualitative research question about a topic which carries significant social stigma. You may just be skirting the line on this, but if so you're skirting it hard.

Elvish, BSN, DNP, RN, NP

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Along with teaching teen moms that it's ok to walk away from the baby for a couple minutes to calm down, I think it would be a great idea to teach them concrete ways of settling a fussy baby. The five S's is a good place to start - swaddling, sucking, 'shhh'ing, swinging (or other gentle motion), and side-lying.

Basically, wrap 'em snugly so their arms and legs are close to their bodies, something to suck on (a pacifier, their thumb, a breast or bottle if they're hungry), whisper 'shhhh' or give them some other white noise like a fan, a swing or some other gentle regular motion like rocking, and lying them on their side (yes, they're supposed to be on their back to sleep, but for calming purposes, laying them on their side can work wonders). Any combination of the above (and sometimes it takes all of them) can soothe most babies in the absence of other unmet physical needs.

Regarding the IRB - she is asking us the question and will be teaching a class to teen parents. Not doing research asking them questions. Enough of a difference that I'm not seeing the need for there to be an IRB approval.

Good luck!

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
You asked this question in order to solicit responses:

You're asking human subjects in a non-anonymous situation a qualitative research question about a topic which carries significant social stigma. You may just be skirting the line on this, but if so you're skirting it hard.

First of all, I don't see how this is non-anonymous, IF You are talking about my post on this board and not the education project I am doing. I am not asking a research question, I am asking for opinions on topics that people in this group might feel are important to cover and even added opinions from everyone are welcome. I am not researching anyone. No one HAS TO SHARE and I am not asking anyone to send me any personal information. I just wanted opinions if I missed anything people could think of. I think you are way over thinking my original post and are grasping at straws on your accusations.

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
Along with teaching teen moms that it's ok to walk away from the baby for a couple minutes to calm down, I think it would be a great idea to teach them concrete ways of settling a fussy baby. The five S's is a good place to start - swaddling, sucking, 'shhh'ing, swinging (or other gentle motion), and side-lying.

Basically, wrap 'em snugly so their arms and legs are close to their bodies, something to suck on (a pacifier, their thumb, a breast or bottle if they're hungry), whisper 'shhhh' or give them some other white noise like a fan, a swing or some other gentle regular motion like rocking, and lying them on their side (yes, they're supposed to be on their back to sleep, but for calming purposes, laying them on their side can work wonders). Any combination of the above (and sometimes it takes all of them) can soothe most babies in the absence of other unmet physical needs.

Regarding the IRB - she is asking us the question and will be teaching a class to teen parents. Not doing research asking them questions. Enough of a difference that I'm not seeing the need for there to be an IRB approval.

Good luck!

I never heard of the Five S's before, I mean I have heard of all of those things, but I have never heard it put in an easy way to remember like that. THANK YOU! Those are awesome suggestions and doing it like the 5 S's would be a great way to include in a handout as well.

Specializes in Urgent Care NP, Emergency Nursing, Camp Nursing.
First of all, I don't see how this is non-anonymous, IF You are talking about my post on this board and not the education project I am doing. I am not asking a research question, I am asking for opinions on topics that people in this group might feel are important to cover and even added opinions from everyone are welcome. I am not researching anyone. No one HAS TO SHARE and I am not asking anyone to send me any personal information. I just wanted opinions if I missed anything people could think of. I think you are way over thinking my original post and are grasping at straws on your accusations.

Pseudonymous is not anonymous - people using a consistent pseudonym on a message board like this can be tracked and their identities uncovered, especially if they are prolific in posting. As for the rest, you'll (hopefully) understand once you take your nursing research course.

Elvish, BSN, DNP, RN, NP

4 Articles; 5,259 Posts

Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.
Pseudonymous is not anonymous - people using a consistent pseudonym on a message board like this can be tracked and their identities uncovered, especially if they are prolific in posting. As for the rest, you'll (hopefully) understand once you take your nursing research course.

Posting on this board, while not anonymous, is voluntary. You began this by asking about an IRB for the actual project in the OP, which is NOT research.

Let's let the OP's clinical instructor address whether this project needs the help of an IRB.

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.

Again, I am not doing any research. If asking for peoples opinions is considered researching humans, then half the posts on this site would need to be shut down or granted approval. Being that a staff member of this board that has been a nurse for while, doesn't think I am in any violation, I will go with that and end this with you here and get back to the topic at hand :)

If your baby is crying, puts his/her fingers in his/her mouth, and turns his/her head toward you when you are holding him/her, FEED him/her. I recently saw a mom, not a teen by the way, with a three-week-old. She wants her to sleep longer at night, so she was trying to keep her awake; that I could cope with watching, baby wasn't fussing much, and when the baby started fussing after mom and dad had her, I offered to hold her and she immediately turned her head and was putting her fingers in her mouth, so I told the mom (I am friends with father and don't really know mom); she says 'I don't want her to fall asleep.' I was absolutely mortified; we are talking about a three-week-old baby! That baby needs as much fat/nutrition/food as she can get! I had two preemies, each 4 pounds 15 ounces, so I was up every hour or two feeding them (seven years a part so I was 34 with my second, not a teen mom and surely felt OLD with my second) and I fed them when they cried/showed signs of wanting to eat, both were normal weight/caught up by 3 months. To think that someone is worried about a couple hours' sleep over feeding their baby is awful in my opinion. My gosh, she could have given her a bottle and then just woken her up again . . . I have seen this before with another person, baby seemed to want to eat, but he spit A LOT, so she limited his feedings to certain times; I just don't think it can be healthy for that young of a child. If the baby is hungry, FEED him/her. That's my 2 cents.

hey i was teen mom i had my son when i was only fourteen i wish people would have spoken to me and let me know in a situation like unplanned pregnancy you can get prenatal care without a parent and without being a legal adult. i had no prenatal care because it was never discussed.:up:

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