Vaccine Conspiracy Theorists More Likely To See Conspiracy Everywhere

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"Where do climate change deniers, anti-GMO activists, and vaccine conspiracy theorists overlap one another? According to a recent study, described in Mother Jones, they seem to triangulate on a tendency to believe in conspiracies. And evidently, according to the study authors, no single theory has a stronger hold on the minds of such like-tending folk as the vaccines pharmaco-governmento-medico conspiracy theory does. According to Chris Mooney, author of The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science-and Reality, and writing at Mother Jones:

The finding may cast a great deal of light on the strange persistence of anti-vaccine views, which have centered on the claim that childhood vaccines are behind an alleged "epidemic" of autism. This assertion has been rejected by scientists. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Institute of Medicine have both weighed in strongly on the matter; and one chief proponent of the vaccine concerns, Andrew Wakefield, has even seen his original 1998 paper raising concerns about the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine retracted by the journal that published it, The Lancet.

Yet vaccine fears have persisted in the face of all scientific refutation (not to mention medical and public health experts saying that the failure to vaccinate is downright dangerous). And if these beliefs are often conspiratorial, that might help explain why. Almost by definition, conspiracy theories are irrefutable; rejections by scientific authorities just become part of the conspiracy."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/10/03/vaccine-conspiracy-theorists-more-likely-to-see-conspiracy-everywhere/

No worries about me though ...I hope to work with my people ..Native Americans. Did you know the government confessed to a mass sterilization program in the 80's via a vaccine program? Just to be facetious

I can't take anything seriously until they take Mr Burzynski seriously...and if you would really like to know , the lengths the conspiracy ,,,,,

You are the naive one. You seem to be naive to politics .....and how powerful the powers that be are.

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No worries about me though ...I hope to work with my people ..Native Americans. Did you know the government confessed to a mass sterilization program in the 80's via a vaccine program? Just to be facetious

I am not going to watch a you tube video as some sort of factual proof, but there is no shot or vaccine that will make you permanently sterile. There was mass sterilizations of Native American women during the 1970s but it was done surgically, often deceptively, not by some so called vaccine.

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I can't take anything seriously until they take Mr Burzynski seriously...and if you would really like to know , the lengths the conspiracy ,,,,,

You are the naive one. You seem to be naive to politics .....and how powerful the powers that be are.

Again I am not going to watch a you tube video as some sort of factual proof on anything. Just because I don't believe in conspiracy theories doesn't make me or anyone else naive. I probably have a better concept of history than most people and after working in the prison system I don't hold any disbeliefs in what humans are capable of doing. I do draw the line at even considering conspiracy theories that have no factual basis and that believing those conspiracy theories (anti-vaccine/anti-flu vaccinations) actually are harmful to people.

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I can't take anything seriously until they take Mr Burzynski seriously...and if you would really like to know , the lengths the conspiracy ,,,,,

You are the naive one. You seem to be naive to politics .....and how powerful the powers that be are.

Burzynski Clinic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I think I will pass on Dr. Burzynski too. What he does is completely unethical. This is the modern equivalent of Tuskegee Syphilis experiments.

Why is Burznski doing trials right now? After decades of false legal trials, they had to let him go. His name defamed, over patent rights. He was investigated to the fullest and yet he's still doing his thing. I'm sure they're just waiting for him to die ...he's pretty old. I would love to work for him .

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Why is Burznski doing trials right now? After decades of false legal trials, they had to let him go. His name defamed, over patent rights. He was investigated to the fullest and yet he's still doing his thing. I'm sure they're just waiting for him to die ...he's pretty old. I would love to work for him .

What Dr. Burznski does is unethical and barely considered legal. There has been absolutely no scientific proof that any of his treatments work. These treatment have caused many patients to delay getting proven cancer treatments in favor of his false treatments that do nothing but line his pockets with money.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/15/stanislaw-burzynski-cancer-controversy/2994561/

Regarding the vaccine/autism link, hasn't that been completely disproved multiple times?

As far as I know, the research available has multiple issues, including massive CoIs on the part of one of the researchers. Apparently he absconded with a million or two of CDC money. That sounds pretty conspiratorial, but it's no theory.

I'm also pretty sure that vulnerable populations have never been studied. Nor have unvaccinated populations. The reason I was always told was because both such endeavors would be considered "unethical". I'm also unaware of any studies that looked at the schedule as a whole. But maybe you're right.

Autism is a horrible thing to deal with and we need to find a cure or preventative measure for it, but it's not vaccines despite what Jenny McCarthy says. Oh, that's right, she "cured" her son's Autism by switching him to a gluten-free diet. Oh, never mind, he never had autism to begin with.

If he was misdiagnosed, that would be the fault of the clinician, not his mom. The possibility that McCarthy's child had LKS was raised 4 years ago, and could very well be the case now.

There are papers and studies that show a supportive link between the elimination of gluten from a diet and improvements in behavior, secondary to physiological issues or otherwise.

There is such a HUGE range that falls under the autism spectrum and better screening for it, that's why it seems so prevalent.

Discounting that this has been dispelled by the likes of the Director of the NIMH and at least one other study that currently escapes me, your above claim would seem to support McCarthy's child didn't have autism in the first place and was misdiagnosed, or instead, lumped in the autism big-top. Which is it?

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Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses Thinking Person's Guide to Autism: Vaccine Safety: A Conversation With Dr. Paul Offit There is no link between autism and vaccines, and yes studies have looked at children before and after MMR vaccinations especially in children who did not follow the recommended vaccine schedules.

By the way if you are going to state there are credible scientific peer-reviewed studies to support your point of view then you should post them. Complementary, holistic, and integrative medicin... [Pediatr Rev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI There hasn't been scientific proof that a gluten free diet will help with ASD.

In general vaccines administration to children in the United States has gone down and ASD diagnosis has continued to rise.

Jenny McCarthy is delusional. Anyone that can afford to spend millions of dollars on their child for intensive 1 on 1 therapy sessions in OT/PT/ST and various other therapies with a child that has ASD is going to have better outcomes than someone that cannot spend that amount time and therapy with a child that has mild to moderate ASD.

CDC Features - New Data on Autism Spectrum Disorders

Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses Thinking Person's Guide to Autism: Vaccine Safety: A Conversation With Dr. Paul Offit There is no link between autism and vaccines, and yes studies have looked at children before and after MMR vaccinations especially in children who did not follow the recommended vaccine schedules.

Again with Offit. I'm confused, is he a pediatrician, vaccine multimillionaire, autism expert or all of the above. Is this a redirection to avoid anything about the validity of the Danish studies Thorsen had a hand in directing?

I don't remember saying anything specifically about MMR. I do remember mentioning the lack of any studies examining the entire schedule or vaccinated/unvaccinated populations. Surely you saw that? So why bring MMR into the onversation?

By the way if you are going to state there are credible scientific peer-reviewed studies to support your point of view then you should post them. Complementary, holistic, and integrative medicin... [Pediatr Rev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI There hasn't been scientific proof that a gluten free diet will help with ASD.

Ok, I will once I have time to read over the papers in earnest, but a simple search of PubMed brings numerous abstracts that mention it is helpful in behaviors in autism, which is what I stated. Not sure how that wouldn't help an ASD kiddo.

In general vaccines administration to children in the United States has gone down and ASD diagnosis has continued to rise.

You do know that the numbers for ASD prevalence are based on cohorts which are at least 4 years old when they are reported, right? Not sure what purpose that non-sequitur had here. Are you saying vaccines could cure/prevent ASD?

Jenny McCarthy is delusional. Anyone that can afford to spend millions of dollars on their child for intensive 1 on 1 therapy sessions in OT/PT/ST and various other therapies with a child that has ASD is going to have better outcomes than someone that cannot spend that amount time and therapy with a child that has mild to moderate ASD.

CDC Features - New Data on Autism Spectrum Disorders

Again, I am confused by this response. While the benefits of early intervention and therapies has long been established, there is no one-for-all approach. I also don't understand the purpose of the CDC link. Was it in response to my taking issue with the myth that better diagnosis and expanded criteria is responsible for the rise?

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Again with Offit. I'm confused, is he a pediatrician, vaccine multimillionaire, autism expert or all of the above. Is this a redirection to avoid anything about the validity of the Danish studies Thorsen had a hand in directing?

I don't remember saying anything specifically about MMR. I do remember mentioning the lack of any studies examining the entire schedule or vaccinated/unvaccinated populations. Surely you saw that? So why bring MMR into the onversation?

Ok, I will once I have time to read over the papers in earnest, but a simple search of PubMed brings numerous abstracts that mention it is helpful in behaviors in autism, which is what I stated. Not sure how that wouldn't help an ASD kiddo.

You do know that the numbers for ASD prevalence are based on cohorts which are at least 4 years old when they are reported, right? Not sure what purpose that non-sequitur had here. Are you saying vaccines could cure/prevent ASD?

Again, I am confused by this response. While the benefits of early intervention and therapies has long been established, there is no one-for-all approach. I also don't understand the purpose of the CDC link. Was it in response to my taking issue with the myth that better diagnosis and expanded criteria is responsible for the rise?

Paul Offit is a pediatrician, infectious disease expert, and vaccine expert and has decades of education/research in all of those subjects. Autism was brought up and ASD is most commonly associated with MMR vaccination. It has been proven with or without vaccinations that ASD rates are the same.

And gluten free diets through meta-analysis/literature reviews have not panned out in CS patients. You are not reviewing articles you are simply looking at abstracts which is often misleading. And again if you think they are pertinent articles then you should post them.

I am saying there is no link between vaccines and autism. I think that is pretty plain.

Provide some peer-reviewed scientific evidence to debate. You haven't provided anything of substance to debate that has not been disproven over and over again.

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