I am trying to find out about what pay scale i can expect to start on when i return to the UK.
I am a UK trained nurse currently living in NZ.I have been in NZ for 9 years.I have 12 years experience in surgical/recovery.
I have noted on several advertised posts that it states
==For new entrants to the NHS pay will normally be set at the minimum of the pay band==
I am unable to get a definate answer from different sources i have asked but wish to find out if the above is going to apply to me.
Would i be considered a new entrant as i have been out of the NHS for so long(9 years) so starting on the minimum of the pay band.I would be going in as a Band 5 RN.I last worked in the UK in from 1996(when i qualified) to 1998.
Or can i expect to commence higher up the scale due to my experience??? What could i expect to get???
I can`t seem to find any contact details,e-mail is best due to being in NZ so was wondering if anyone had been in a similair situation.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
WOW,,19k pounds is less than 30k dollars,,all I can say is,,,ouch, bummer. Whats the workload like. I'm curious about patient ratios - is it regulated?
This thread is a couple of years old. Current pay scale from April 2010 for a new grad (band 5) is £21,176 which is roughly 30,485.53
How is the transition for nurse practitioners (specifically FNP) trained in the US to be able to practice in the UK? I've found literature on the NHS website about the process for US trained RNs, but can't seem to track any down for APRNs.
Have you seen many US trained NPs being able to practice in the UK? Also, if you might know, my roommate is a US trained PA and is also looking into making the same move. Although I know the PA profession is a very new one in the UK.
Specializes in ICU,ANTICOAG,ACUTE STROKE,EDU,RESEARCH.
It's not too difficult Steve, the bands are the payscale. So a your basic staff nurse will come out on a band 5. Anything below that is generally for unqualified staff, our nursing assistants are a band 2, senior nursing assistants band 3
Band 6's are generally for your deputy ward managers, although some specialist nurses and nurse practitioners are at this level as well as are some speciality nurses such as in ICU.
Band 7's for your charge nurses / ward managers, senior specialist nurses or team leaders.
8's are in general senior nurses who have responsibility for more than one area so I have 5 wards and 2 clinics that I am responsible for so I will be on a band 8 within this band there are also sub bands that reflect the level or responsibility, I am a 8a, there is another senior nurse who is senior to me and covers an additional 4 wards and the specialist nurses she and is an 8b.
The gateways are linked to something called keys skills framework which is all part of profesional development and the gateways are within this framework. Each year you will get a payrise (incremental increase in your pay) until you reach the top of your payscale (band) KSF is supposed to ensure that you meet the objectives within your job description and should be evaluated annually at a PDP.
It's not too complicated once you get your head around the different roles
Mmmm- that makes it sound quite straightforward-but in reality it's not.
Because hospitals or trusts set the bands for specific jobs and the criteria for number of points in the skills and responsibilites were so subjective, you'll find the same job title may have a different grade depending on the hospital/trust.
For instance- in the hospital where I worked (a small "general" hospital)the senior staff nurses in ICU and theatres (NOT junior sisters) who were E grades were banded as 6s. This was the same as Clinical Nurse Specialists even though the E grades in ICU/theatres never took charge.
In a large teaching hospital 10 miles away the E grades were banded as 5s. Those staff nurses frequently took charge on ICU and the patients were sicker and more complex ie higher level of skill required.
Since AfC came in, as people left posts, the banding was moved down a notch before it was advertised. The reason givenwas that the department had been " reorganised" and the level of responsibility had changed.
Our Lead Clinical Nurse Specialist (1st line manager) was told a Masters wasn't a requirement for the job (even though she had one) and was banded a 7 but now they are saying that all Band 7 nurses must be at least studying towards a Masters.
At the end of the day there are so many nurses that hospitals can't afford to pay them at the bands the jobs should be on.
Physiotherapists and pharmacists came out of AfC very well, and our hospital had more than 60% of both professions that were Band 7 or above, compared to around 20% of nurses.
The Physios still aren't required to have a Masters degree for a 7 or 8. It is based solely on their experience and on the job/self education that's in their portfolio.
Jobs like play leaders on Paed' wards came out on the same band as an E grade staff nurse on a ward!
Remember - it's the JOB that's banded- not the person, so it all depends on how a job you fit the criteria for is banded.
Specializes in ICU,ANTICOAG,ACUTE STROKE,EDU,RESEARCH.
XB9S or Silverdragon102:
How is the transition for nurse practitioners (specifically FNP) trained in the US to be able to practice in the UK? I've found literature on the NHS website about the process for US trained RNs, but can't seem to track any down for APRNs.
Have you seen many US trained NPs being able to practice in the UK? Also, if you might know, my roommate is a US trained PA and is also looking into making the same move. Although I know the PA profession is a very new one in the UK.
thanks
Davey
As an NP you will probably be a Band 7,ie 30,000 to 40,000 GBPs.
As foreign trained nurses in order to be registered with the UKCC your training transcripts would be evaluated to make sure you meet the requirements for RN.
I am assuming that you would start on the bottom of a 7, so around $45,000 , but you can't really just convert to $$$ as the cost of living in the UK is generally higher than in the US.
I am guessing this would be a huge pay drop for you.
We had a NP that worked in acute stroke.
She was responsible for assessing all new stroke patients in ER and referrals from the wards.
She maade decisions about suitability for treatment , specifically thrombolysis, ordered CTs etc,.
The level of autonomy was fairly high (in the UK RNs don't rely on Doctors orders, unless they're prescriptions) so even staff nurses have a failry high degree of autonomy depending on where they work and their experience.
If it was a sick patient, or one suitable for thrombolysis she would try and get one of the stroke physicians down ASAP, but as we only had 2 sometimes it wasn't possible, so then she would advise the Registrar on ER, and the stroke physicians would review the CT scan remotely, and check history etc with her prior to thrombolysing.
Her other roles included doing clinics and triaging TIA patients over the telephone, D/W stroke physicians and arranging either admission or clinic appts based on conclusions.
As far as I'm aware the UKCC still haven't sorted out registration for NP status, so the requirements to practice as an NP are a little vague and in the hands of the hospitals really.
I think you may have asked about Nurse to patient ratios.
They aren't regulated.
Typically on a general med/surg ward there will be 3-4 RNs for 30 patients during the day.
The NMC ( no longer UKCC) hasn't regulated NPs and it doesn't look as if there will be regulation in the foreseeable future. This means scope abs practice for NPs will vary from place to place. The essential requirements on the job description will be what allows you to apply for a position and all ask for RN registration most will ask for at least degree level training with a majority going the extra step and asking for masters
Pay band again depends on area, ranging from 5 - 7 depending on the role. I'd like to see better controls but not likely yet
Specializes in ICU,ANTICOAG,ACUTE STROKE,EDU,RESEARCH.
The NMC ( no longer UKCC) hasn't regulated NPs and it doesn't look as if there will be regulation in the foreseeable future. This means scope abs practice for NPs will vary from place to place. The essential requirements on the job description will be what allows you to apply for a position and all ask for RN registration most will ask for at least degree level training with a majority going the extra step and asking for masters
Pay band again depends on area, ranging from 5 - 7 depending on the role. I'd like to see better controls but not likely yet
Apologies-meant NMC.
I do think NPs should be regulated as they have huge v ariations in experience, qualifications and responsibility.
I do think NPs should be regulated as they have huge v ariations in experience, qualifications and responsibility.
I also think they're underpaid:)
Those that work to the true definition of advanced practice, absolutely are underpaid. I am a ANP and prescriber and work very independently but I am an 8a so my pay isn't too bad. Comparable with a F2 doctor I guess
There are those that do not work to the true APN role and I think that's where the difficulties lie
Silverdragon102, BSN
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This thread is a couple of years old. Current pay scale from April 2010 for a new grad (band 5) is £21,176 which is roughly 30,485.53
Pay rates 2010/2011 - RCN