New sexual assault examiner here - anyone have tips for removing excess toluidine blue? I've been using surgi-lube and it does remove a good portion of the dye, but much of it remains even in non-injured tissues.
Get2theChoppa 210 Posts Specializes in Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner. Feb 11, 2016 I'm relatively new to the field myself, but we use a vinegar spray.
Lunah, MSN, RN 33 Articles; 13,728 Posts Specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CNE, CEN, CPEN, TCRN. Has 15 years experience. Feb 11, 2016 It's going to stain for a bit. We use surgilube as well. Does the vinegar spray work any better?
Get2theChoppa 210 Posts Specializes in Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner. Feb 13, 2016 It's going to stain for a bit. We use surgilube as well. Does the vinegar spray work any better?I'm not really sure. I've never used surgilube so I can't compare. It's got a more watery consistency and it's easy remove TB dye from flat surfaces. Crevices are trickier.
jdickrn 25 Posts Specializes in Medical-surgical. Has 9 years experience. Jul 20, 2016 We just use baby wipes. Works like a charm
CaitlinLiz 82 Posts Specializes in Forensics, Trauma, Pediatrics,. Has 10 years experience. Aug 27, 2017 I am looking to understand why so much dye is being applied that you need to actively remove it. You are rolling it on over a suspected injury, and not painting it all over, right?
Lunah, MSN, RN 33 Articles; 13,728 Posts Specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CNE, CEN, CPEN, TCRN. Has 15 years experience. Aug 27, 2017 Because you are looking for dye uptake in small abrasions that you might not otherwise see. Sometimes you do have to paint an area, then remove excess. Depends on how your toluidine blue comes packaged, too — some places have sponge-tip applicators, and other places might have a bottle of toluidine blue that you pour into a medicine cup and apply with a cotton ball.
CaitlinLiz 82 Posts Specializes in Forensics, Trauma, Pediatrics,. Has 10 years experience. Aug 27, 2017 Interesting! That is how I originally thought the dye would be used... although, in my mentorship program it was drilled into me that we "never" paint... only highlight what is already evident to make it stand out in photos. Do you by chance have any literature backing this procedure up that I could present to those telling me not to do it that way?
Lunah, MSN, RN 33 Articles; 13,728 Posts Specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CNE, CEN, CPEN, TCRN. Has 15 years experience. Aug 27, 2017 Interesting! That is how I originally thought the dye would be used... although, in my mentorship program it was drilled into me that we "never" paint... only highlight what is already evident to make it stand out in photos. Do you by chance have any literature backing this procedure up that I could present to those telling me not to do it that way?Not offhand; I am just going by what we did in our SANE program per our protocol. The whole point of toluidine blue is that it is a stain, which means it is applied and then excess removed (we used Surgilube as I mentioned). It's not so much meant to highlight what is apparent with the naked eye, but to reveal things that are not so obvious, knowing that any areas of uptake indicate damage/injury. That is why you always need to use the toluidine blue before a speculum exam — because the exam itself can cause micro trauma. Using toluidine blue correctly has been shown to increase the detection of trauma by a large percentage — I think 20-30% or thereabouts? — particularly in the posterior fourchette area. I am sure you can find this info via Google, this is just what I remember from my years as a SANE.
amoLucia 7,735 Posts Specializes in retired LTC. Aug 28, 2017 Am TOTALLY out of my element here - never heard of toluidine, much less its use.I was thinking of something else - a blue dye that we used to put down GT tubes and if we deep suctioned, we suspected aspiration pneumonia if blue aspirate.But stains, I understand. HAIRSPRAY, esp aerosol AquaNet was the best thing in the world for removing any & all stains as I remember.Might help - it's only the cost of a can at WALmart. Hope it helps you.
