To all nurses planning to give the H1N1 vaccine to pregnant women

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just a note for those looking to download the article.

the embargo period was officially passed this morning (9/30) and the article has officially been released by neurotoxicology today, but there appears to be a delay in the elsevier data operation. we are assured that the full text of the article will be available on line shortly.

http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/journaldescription.cws_home/621355/description#description

september 30, 2009

primate study shows significant harm from one birth dose of a mercury-containing vaccine

in the first safety study of its kind of the hepatitis vaccine birth dose, the researchers showed that male macaques vaccinated at birth with a hepatitis b vaccine (hbv) took more than twice as long as unexposed macaques to acquire three standardized skills typically used to measure infant brain development. the thirteen vaccinated monkeys each received a dose of merck’s recombivax® hepatitis b vaccine to which a weight-adjusted amount of the ethyl mercury-containing vaccine preservative thimerosal had been added (each dose included 2 micrograms of ethyl mercury as opposed to the human infant dose of 12.5 micrograms). seven unexposed monkeys received either a saline placebo injection or no shot at all.

over a two week period following birth, the researchers examined the infant macaques daily for their ability to perform nine basic reflexes (four reflexes were tested in two ways, so the paper reports thirteen performance results). three of nine reflexes showed significant delays in vaccinated macaques while two other reflexes were delayed and “approached significance.” as for the three significant reflexes, vaccinated macaques learned more slowly to: 1) turn their head in response to a brush on the cheek (the root reflex); 2) open their mouth in response to a brush on the forehead (the snout reflex); and 3) suck on a nipple placed in their mouth (the suck reflex).

chronic neurological disorders, especially autism, have increased rapidly during the past two decades in association with increases in vaccines (from 10 to 36) and total mercury exposure. in july 1999, cdc, the american academy of pediatrics and vaccine companies agreed to remove mercury from all childhood vaccines "as soon as possible," but it still remains in 16 licenses vaccines, five of which are still given to infants. contrary to its own recommendation, now a decade old, cdc is now recommending the h1n1 and seasonal flu vaccines for "high priority" groups of pregnant women and babies older than six months who could get four doses.

while some doses will be available in single syringes without mercury for those who ask, most doses contain mercury and cdc has refused to state a preference for the mercury-free versions.

this study is the tip of the iceberg.

this paper focuses on one part of a larger comprehensive research program investigating the safety of the entire human infant vaccine schedule by employing standard animal research protocols. the program is examining differences in developmental behaviors, brain, blood, gi tissues, the immune system, health status, pathology, and gene expression profiles between vaccinated and unvaccinated primates. preliminary results of the wider program were presented at the international meeting for autism research in london in may 2008. the presentation suggested evidence of widespread harm caused by the cdc-recommended vaccine schedule.

i'll never forget this bone chilling e-mail from thomas verstraeten, the first researcher to link thimerasol to autism. in this document discovered in a freedom of information act proceeding, dr. verstraeten is referring to a signal in his research that proved a relative risk of 2.56 between thimerasol & autism spectrum disorders. (2.56 is a 256 fold increase)

“it just won’t go away”

from: verstraeten, thomas

sent: friday, december 17, 1999 4:40 pm

to: ‘robert davis’

cc: destefano, frank

subject: it just won’t go away

hi,

"attached please find four tables with rrs [relative risks] and three sas

programs...

as you’ll see, some of the rrs increase over the categories and i haven’t yet

found an alternative explanation...please let me know if you can think of

one. frank proposes we discuss this on a call after the new year...

happy holidays!

thomas verstraeten, m.d."

in the past month, the cdc announced a 1:100 asd rate.

remember hannah poling.....it's just 'autism like symptoms'

The MMR is a live vaccine & never contained thimerasol to begin with.

I did mis-type, the study was conducted after thimerasol was removed from all vaccines.

Regardless, you didn't actually read the study, did you?

The Cochrane Collaboration had this to say about Fombonne's paper regarding a review of the safety of the mmr:

I'd love a link to your source.

I searched http://www.cochrane.org/ using multiple terms including Fombonne and found nothing.

The only entry The Cochrane Library http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/mrwhome/106568753/AccessCochraneLibrary.html?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0 has for Fombonne is a completely unrelated study.

Insufficient controls were used. Although the study, which used 1,294 cases and 4,469 controls, had initially indicated that there would be ten controls per autism case, 594 cases had fewer than three controls, 72 cases had only one control and 25 had none at all. It was not explained why the study’s original protocols had been apparently disregarded.
Again, you didn't read the study I linked, had you, you would know that the numbers you quoted there have no basis in the study. It really appears you're simply regurgitating stuff off some anti-vax website.

Yes, Eric Fombonne is a Psychiatrist and an Epidemiologist.

Both completely relevant and appropriate to an epidemiological study that reviewed and tabulated data from other sources. Dr. Fombonne's psychiatric specialty is autism and he is a well regarded expert in his field by the very people his work benefits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Fombonne

Fombonne had been a paid adviser to the manufacturers of MMR in the then-impending 1,500-strong class action High Court case in the UK that alleged that MMR had precipitated childhood degeneration into autism.

The wisdom of using a paid witness to the manufacturers, as defendants, in a central authorship role in a supposedly independent research paper......

might be questioned....ya think?.

I can see where someone who is dead set against the results of his research would see it that way, especially if you ignore the fact that the lawsuit took place a few years before Dr. Fombonne conducted and published his study.

The plaintiff in the lawsuit you reference also paid the authors of "supposedly independent research" papers to testify for their side.

The reality that parties on both sides of a lawsuit pay for expert witnesses.

By the way, I did a google search of this sentence quoted in your post that you imply came from The Cochrane Collaboration:

"The number and possible impact of biases in this study is so high that interpretation of the results is impossible."

That statement is repeated made by Clifford Miller, the UK attorney who brought the class action suit mentioned above. http://www.cliffordmiller.com/.

From a google search for the words "Clifford Miller vaccine lawsuit" since loosing the lawsuit it appears Mr. Miller has made a hobby of trying to discredit Dr. Fombonne without much success, except with people who will cling to anything that reinforces their belief that thimerasol or vaccines containing it or the manufacturers who used it are somehow at fault.

Throughout your post(s) you claim sources without links or citations and many of what you've posted appears to be copy and pasted from elsewhere.

Please link your sources - either you are making this stuff up yourself or you're violating the Terms of Service by failing to credit your sources.

Specializes in Acute post op ortho.

"I did mis-type, the study was conducted after thimerasol was removed from all vaccines."

Really. wow. Can you link us to the product inserts to prove that?

Dr Fombonne has been an expert witness for vaccine manufacturers, but I guess that's not a conflict of interest.

I suppose we could site study after study....conflict after conflict.....you in your corner, me in mine.

However, my daughter called me while typing my reply....and in my excitement, I lost my post...

My first grandchild is on his way, & I'm headed to the hospital to welcome him into the world.

The vaccine debate will continue, no doubt.

Peace be with you,

I'm gonna be a grandma (squeal):yeah::yeah::yeah:

Specializes in Derm/Wound Care/OP Surgery/LTC.
Seriously y'all?

I am not taking my practice advice from one annonymous internet nurse on this forum.

I will weigh all info that comes out and then my practice will be dictated by the properly assigned authority in the matter.

Oh no, wait, duh..........................sure - I will do just whatever the original poster who I never heard of told me to!:chuckle:chuckle:chuckle:chuckle

I really don't see where there is room for sarcasm on this topic. It is for an exchange of ideas and information. What you do or don't do ultimately rests with you, of course, but it couldn't possibly hurt for you to hear both sides of the argument and make an informed decision.

Specializes in Acute post op ortho.

Dr. Bernadine Healy is the former head of the National Institutes of Health, and the most well-known medical voice yet to break with her colleagues on the vaccine-autism question.

In an exclusive interview with CBS News, Healy said the question is still open.

"I think that the public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as irrational," Healy said.

"But public health officials have been saying they know, they've been implying to the public there's enough evidence and they know it's not causal," Attkisson said.

"I think you can't say that," Healy said. "You can't say that."

Healy goes on to say public health officials have intentionally avoided researching whether subsets of children are “susceptible” to vaccine side effects - afraid the answer will scare the public.

"You're saying that public health officials have turned their back on a viable area of research largely because they're afraid of what might be found?" Attkisson asked.

Healy said: "There is a completely expressed concern that they don't want to pursue a hypothesis because that hypothesis could be damaging to the public health community at large by scaring people. "First of all," Healy said, "I think the public’s smarter than that. The public values vaccines. But more importantly, I don’t think you should ever turn your back on any scientific hypothesis because you’re afraid of what it might show."

As an example, Healy points to the existing vaccine court claims.

CBS News has learned the government has paid more than 1,300 brain injury claims in vaccine court since 1988, but is not studying those cases or tracking how many of them resulted in autism.

The branch of the government that handles vaccine court told CBS News: “Some children who have been compensated for vaccine injuries…may ultimately end up with autism or autistic symptoms, but we do not track cases on this basis.”

"What we’re seeing in the bulk of the population: vaccines are safe," said Healy. "But there may be this susceptible group. The fact that there is concern, that you don’t want to know that susceptible group is a real disappointment to me. If you know that susceptible group, you can save those children. If you turn your back on the notion that there is a susceptible group… what can I say?"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/12/cbsnews_investigates/main4086809.shtml?tag=contentBody;currentVideoInfo

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