Published Feb 22, 2012
msuCON
5 Posts
Right now I am a BSN student doing my medsurg course for the second time. I have been successful in theory and my clinical skills. My stumbling block though continues to be the CSA's specifically the concept maps, the things with my nursing diagnoses and the information subjective and objective that supports why they are the correct choices for my patient.
Even though this is round two for me I am still right around the same area as far as scores on my paperwork. i am seeking tutoring from instructors and EVERYTHING they suggest to help me succeed and now I am beginning to question myself. if i can't do paperwork how on earth can I care for people??
The feed back I have been getting so far is partly organizational issues and I am taking steps to help me gather information so i can be more thorough and not feel so lost in a chart. the other thing that i have been told without fail is not enough detail!!! I don't know if maybe I am not seeing the patient as a whole person or that my critical thinker doesn't work how it should? I just need so thoughts on how to see things different or ask questions differently to get around my serious mental block in order to succeed at this. I would greatly appreciate anyone telling me what their AHA! moment was like when they finally had one i'm still waiting for mine. :confused:
nurseprnRN, BSN, RN
1 Article; 5,116 Posts
if you are doing it the same way you did the first time, chances are you'll have the same results. don't know what csa means, other than the late confederacy, though. are you using the same books and references? perhaps a different set of them would hold the key to that "aha!" moment you seek.
could you give a specific example of something that flummoxed you? perhaps an example of a nursing diagnosis you made that turned out not to work, or that wasn't supported in the way your faculty seems to expect of you? or whatever else seems confusing?
well i have ordered two new books that are specifically for care plans and concept maps. so far i am choosing that appropriate nursing diagnoses with regards to the medical diagnoses which is good. But i am struggling to get all the details from daily assessments that support my diagnosis and say this is the info that supports my choice. I think what i am struggling the mot with is i dont have any ideal models of what they expect us to produce and I do the right assessments and the info is in my head but important details get lost in my head at 12am and doesnt make it on to my paperwork so i feel like i have a mental block i guess. oh and how everything connects to everything else...
Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN
20,908 Posts
ok....first to write a care plan there needs to be a patient, a diagnosis, an assessment of the patient which includes tests, labs, vital signs, patient complaint and symptoms. think maslows hierachy of needs. maslow's hierarchy of needs - enotes.com virginia henderson's need theory
maslow’s hierarchy of needs is a based on the theory that one level of needs must be met before moving on to the next step.
assumptions
b and d needs
deficiency or deprivation needs
the first four levels are considered deficiency or deprivation needs (“d-needs”) in that their lack of satisfaction causes a deficiency that motivates people to meet these needs
growth needs or b-needs or being needs
application in nursing
care plan basics: (from daytonite) https://allnurses.com/lpn-lvn-nursing/i-need-help-665349.html
every single nursing diagnosis has its own set of symptoms, or defining characteristics. they are listed in the nanda taxonomy and in many of the current nursing care plan books that are currently on the market that include nursing diagnosis information. you need to have access to these books when you are working on care plans. there are currently 188 nursing diagnoses that nanda has defined and given related factors and defining characteristics for. what you need to do is get this information to help you in writing care plans so you diagnose your patients correctly.
don't focus your efforts on the nursing diagnoses when you should be focusing on the assessment and the patients abnormal data that you collected. these will become their symptoms, or what nanda calls defining characteristics.
here are the steps of the nursing process and what you should be doing in each step when you are doing a written care plan:
now, listen up, because what i am telling you next is very important information and is probably going to change your whole attitude about care plans and the nursing process. . .a care plan is nothing more than the written documentation of the nursing process you use to solve one or more of a patient's nursing problems. the nursing process itself is a problem solving method that was extrapolated from the scientific method used by the various science disciplines in proving or disproving theories. one of the main goals every nursing school wants its rns to learn by graduation is how to use the nursing process to solve patient problems.
care plan reality: the foundation of any care plan is the signs, symptoms or responses that patient is having to what is happening to them. what is happening to them could be a medical disease, a physical condition, a failure to be able to perform adls (activities of daily living), or a failure to be able to interact appropriately or successfully within their environment. therefore, one of your primary aims as a problem solver is to collect as much data as you can get your hands on. the more the better. you have to be a detective and always be on the alert and lookout for clues. at all times. and that is within the spirit of step #1 of this whole nursing process.
assessment is an important skill. it will take you a long time to become proficient in assessing patients. assessment not only includes doing the traditional head-to-toe exam, but also listening to what patients have to say and questioning them. history can reveal import clues. it takes time and experience to know what questions to ask to elicit good answers. part of this assessment process is knowing the pathophysiology of the medical disease or condition that the patient has. but, there will be times that this won't be known. just keep in mind that you have to be like a nurse detective always snooping around and looking for those clues.
a nursing diagnosis standing by itself means nothing. the meat of this care plan of yours will lie in the abnormal data (symptoms) that you collected during your assessment of this patient. in order for you to pick any nursing diagnoses for a patient you need to know what the patient's symptoms are.
what i would suggest you do is to work the nursing process from step #1. take a look at the information you collected on the patient during your physical assessment and review of their medical record. start making a list of abnormal data which will now become a list of their symptoms. don't forget to include an assessment of their ability to perform adls (because that's what we nurses shine at). the adls are bathing, dressing, transferring from bed or chair, walking, eating, toilet use, and grooming. and, one more thing you should do is to look up information about symptoms that stand out to you. what is the physiology and what are the signs and symptoms (manifestations) you are likely to see in the patient. did you miss any of the signs and symptoms in the patient? if so, now is the time to add them to your list. this is all part of preparing to move onto step #2 of the process which is determining your patient's problem and choosing nursing diagnoses. but, you have to have those signs, symptoms and patient responses to back it all up.
care plan reality: what you are calling a nursing diagnosis is actually a shorthand label for the patient problem. the patient problem is more accurately described in the definition of this nursing diagnosis (every nanda nursing diagnosis has a definition).
for example:
i've just listed above all the nanda information on the diagnosis of activity intolerance from the taxonomy. only you know this patient and can assess whether this diagnosis fits with your patient's problem since you posted no other information
care plan reality: nursing diagnoses, nursing interventions and goals are all based upon the patient's symptoms, or defining characteristics. they are all linked together with each other to form a nice related circle of cause and effect.
you really shouldn't focus too much time on the nursing diagnoses. most of your focus should really be on gathering together the symptoms the patient has because the entire care plan is based upon them. the nursing diagnosis is only one small part of the care plan and to focus so much time and energy on it takes away from the remainder of the work that needs to be done on the care plan.
you may also like these resources...... i strongly suggest you budget for a good care plan book as you will need it...alot! i hope this helps.
nursing care plan | nursing crib
nursing care plan
nursing resources - care plans
understanding the essentials of critical care nursing
nursing care plans, care maps and nursing diagnosis
http://www.delmarlearning.com/compan.../apps/appa.pdf
cns: problem oriented nursing care plans
https://allnurses.com/nursing-student-assistance/understand-how-write-225330.html
maslow's hierarchy of needs is a based on the theory that one level of needs must be met before moving on to the next step.
the first four levels are considered deficiency or deprivation needs ("d-needs") in that their lack of satisfaction causes a deficiency that motivates people to meet these needs
forum on care maps:
https://allnurses.com/forums/f205/care-maps-225330.html. there are links there to information on what a concept map is and how to put one together
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https://allnurses.com/general-nursing-student/concept-maps-155445-page2.html
check out these links and documents they will provide a wealth of information.
know your pathophysiology of the patients disease and symptoms present.
https://allnurses.com/nursing-student-assistance/medical-disease-information-258109.html
i hope at least some of this helps.
"i am choosing that appropriate nursing diagnoses with regards to the medical diagnoses which is good"
not exactly. nursing diagnosis is not a subset of medical diagnosis, nursing diagnosis does not depend on medical diagnosis, and it is not possible to make a nursing diagnosis just from knowing the medical diagnosis alone. i hope the book you're looking at doesn't tell you that you can, and i hope it isn't saying, "these are the nursing diagnoses for xyz medical diagnosis," because that is misleading. it's possible, though, that it is not really saying that, and is giving you some things to consider and look for when you assess the patient and then have the opportunity to determine the nursing diagnosis (es). this is a very, very important thing to remember.
please, all students, realize that nursing diagnoses are not to be found in some mythological chart with the first column being medical diagnoses and the second giving nursing ones, with the implication that nursing diagnoses are somehow derivative, secondary, or subordinate. nothing could be farther from the truth.
medical diagnoses are derived from medical assessments-- diagnostic imaging, laboratory studies, pathology analyses, and the like. this is not to say that nursing diagnosis doesn't use the same information, so read on.
yes, experienced nurses will use a patient's medical diagnosis to give them ideas about what to expect and assess for, but that's part of the nursing assessment, not a consequence of a medical assessment.
for example, if i admit a 55-year-old with diabetes and heart disease, i recall what i know about dm pathophysiology. i'm pretty sure i will probably see a constellation of nursing diagnoses related to these effects, and i will certainly assess for them-- ineffective tissue perfusion, activity intolerance, knowledge deficit, fear, altered role processes, and ineffective health management for starters. i might find readiness to improve health status, or ineffective coping, or risk for falls, too. these are all things you often see in diabetics who come in with complications. they are all things that nursing treats independently of medicine, regardless of whether a medical plan of care includes measures to ameliorate the physiological cause of some of them. but i can't put them in any individual's plan for nursing care until *i* assess for the symptoms that indicate them, the defining characteristics of each.
i hope this is helpful to you who are just starting out in this wonderful profession. it's got a great body of knowledge waiting out there to help you do well for and by your patients, and you do need to understand its processes.