Study guides, workbooks for Excelsior College

hawaiit · Nov 26, 2003

To prospective students who might be amused or disgusted about this controversy, and the value of Academy of Nursing. To sweet Cris! If you had the good sense to look into A of C better as I did you would not have the bitter experience you claim to have had with their Excel program. I never gave it a second thought much less hundreds of dollars.

The Academy of Nursing CPNE BootCamp on the otherhand was as I said before outstanding. I did attend it as an EC student!

Someday when you grow up you may learn that most things in life are like that, part good and part bad. If you're wise you'll learn to take advantage of the good side and avoid or tolerate the bad side. It may someday amaze you to find out you, yourself have good and bad points, as I do, as nursing will be, as are the drugs and therapies you may administer.

If you don't grow up you may need to learn the good and bad of Prozac to cope with life.

As far as EC state acceptance is concerned, don't take my word for it, ask EC, then we'll see who knows what they are talking about, or even better ask the state boards. You're a new student, I am finished, when you get to where I am you may know a lot less than you think you do now. In all fairness I am probably thirty years older than you and probably was a lot smarter when I was you're age too.

Forunately I learned that "Arrogance begats Ignorance" early in life, so I never needed the Prozac. Good Luck you're going to need it . No axe to grind, just trying to be helpful

bwalston · Nov 28, 2003

Originally posted by hawaiit
To prospective students who might be amused or disgusted about this controversy, and the value of Academy of Nursing. To sweet Cris! If you had the good sense to look into A of C better as I did you would not have the bitter experience you claim to have had with their Excel program. I never gave it a second thought much less hundreds of dollars.
The Academy of Nursing CPNE BootCamp on the otherhand was as I said before outstanding. I did attend it as an EC student!
Someday when you grow up you may learn that most things in life are like that, part good and part bad. If you're wise you'll learn to take advantage of the good side and avoid or tolerate the bad side. It may someday amaze you to find out you, yourself have good and bad points, as I do, as nursing will be, as are the drugs and therapies you may administer.
If you don't grow up you may need to learn the good and bad of Prozac to cope with life.
As far as EC state acceptance is concerned, don't take my word for it, ask EC, then we'll see who knows what they are talking about, or even better ask the state boards. You're a new student, I am finished, when you get to where I am you may know a lot less than you think you do now. In all fairness I am probably thirty years older than you and probably was a lot smarter when I was you're age too.
Forunately I learned that "Arrogance begats Ignorance" early in life, so I never needed the Prozac. Good Luck you're going to need it . No axe to grind, just trying to be helpful

Arrogance begats [sic] Ignorance....hhhmmmm...and the ignoramus of the year award goes to????????

hawaiit · Nov 28, 2003

Thirty years ago as a licensed physcian in the states of Florida and Mississippi I realized the three main causes of disease and illness were pride, arrogance, and ignorance. The state medical sciences board examination I took to qualifiy myself for those licenses did not prove I or my colleagues were very well qualified to treat the causes of those diseases and illness. So I went back to study for many more years and leave the treating of the

symptoms to the mechanics who themselves were usually infected with the same three pathogens or diseases of the heart and mind. I needed to purge myself of as much of those problems as I could so I wouldn't contaminate my patients. I feel it no let down to change my title to RN now and to administer care from a humble heart. Thats the kind of "ignoramus" patients need. As I continue to experience arrogant doctors, nurses, and students I pray I will never again try to treat and infect my charges with my own pride, arrogance and ignorance. Physcian, nurse, and student heal thyself before you think you can heal your patients, if thats your goal? Remember the words of Dr. Cook the previous Surgeon General of the US; "If every Dr. in the country were to leave the country, the average health index and lifespan of Americans would increase significantly" I want to be part of ther minority of health care workers that are part of the solution, not the problem, that help overcome the infection of their care givers. Thirty years from now will your patients be served by your attitudes, or just your egos at the expense of their health?

Spazzy Nurse, RN · Nov 29, 2003

Hawaiit, you were a chiropractor.

hawaiit · Nov 29, 2003

Another supreme example of ignorance from arrogance often at the expense of the patients health.

Many states grant chiropractors the title of physicians because they are licensed to the general practise of health care using all mannners of alternative medicine that many M.D.s' are learning to use to supplement the short comings of alopathic medicine, and many more are replacing the use of medicine and surgery almost entirely with alternative medicine. Of courses I've learned much of what I know of clinical nutrition from medical research. I also realize that much medical research is financed by chiropractors? For instance the University of Southern Calif. by grants from the inventor who held the patent for the process of putting color on film for Eastmn Kodak, a very rich man, and a world famous chiropractor.

My state license was as a 'Chiropractic Physician', granted because many of us were sent down from our Chiropractic College to pass the state medical sciences exams all doctors in Florida had to pass to practise there; MDs, DOs, DCs, even DDSs.

The medical profession with the blessing of the chiropractic associations had enacted this requirement years before to keep

chiropractors out of the state. Chiropractors didn't want the competition down there, and arrogant MDs didn't want anyone else to call themselves any kind of doctors. Not even dentist.

So most chiropractors didn't bother. The test were so hard the MDs and DOs and DDSs couldn't pass it for years. You guessed it. Chiropractors were passing in numbers. So they had to liberalize the test and make it easy enough for MDs to pass. or at least commensorate with the degree of medical education graduates normally acquired from around 3500 hrs of classes as opposed to the standard federally mandated and documented 5000 to 6000 hrs. of chiropractic education in basic medical sciences. We were eligible for VA benefits, therefore under somewhat discrimantory federal requirements which turned out to our advantage, and to the advantage of many patients.

I have a BS in Human Biology from a college with the very same accreditation as Harvard. I was steered into alternative medicine or complimentary health care by a Noble Prize winning professor at the University of Texas as as a pre-vet student. I was so impressed by a MIT graduate with a Masters in Mechanical Eng. cured of a severe neurological disorder who went on to become the President of the Texas Chiropractic College, and a researcher in biomechanics; that I went on to Chiropractic college when I had my first Associates degree.

My first patient as an intern in Chiropractic college was a chronic sinusitius patient coming from two weeks of test at Mayo Clinic. All I knew to help him was to advise him to stop drinking all coffee something his medical dcotors had not done. Something his strictly orthpedic oriented chiropractors who commonly had coffee pots in their waiting rooms didn't tell him. So he had suffered a lifetime of chronic headaches. Humbled by his misery, he tolerated my attempts to practise adjustments on him and my continued patient teaching of the physiological relationship of his headaches and heavy coffee consumption which eliminated his headaches. Years later, and many similar patients, later, very few strictly orthpedic, treating no backaches that I can even remember, I treated my last patient as a chiropractor.. He was referred from the emergency room of a hospital in Fort Myers, Fla. as a pseudo-stroke patient. The wise and humble and patient dedicated Neuro Surgeon who wasn't impressed with his superior titles, and creditials, or arrogance towards the big sign on my office "Dr. B.G. Touchy, Chiropractic Physician" referred his patient to me because he felt I could help him more than he could.

The neuro surgeon understood occipital slips and vertebral artery occulsions and the consequent hemiparalysis possibily reversible with simple but specific resolution from a chiropractic physician. It did take an atlas/occipital adjustment that was easy and a few muscle memory-cranial sacral techniques to restore his full neuromuscular function. The patient, the NS, the town of Fort Myers didn't have a problem with the physician on my sign, neither did the state of Forida. They expected such from you, it was your responsibility. Its normal practise all over the country and has been for decades.

Its just that many young healthcare workers, LPNs, etc. assume that only MDs are physicians. Tens of thousands of patients , hundreds of thousands of patients over the last hundred years have been successfully treated by chiropractic physicians, most probably after dissatifaction with their medical physician, and visa versa. And now for a rebuttal from our local sensor who is imminently more qualified and experienced, and who abhors the concept no doubt, the sacriledge no less, of a chiropractor calling himself a physician.

Well I am four years older than the average life span of a medical physician in this country, I am trim and healthy and starting a new career as a nurse and pleased to relinquish any

title as a physician for an equallly honorable one as a nurse.

So any forthcoming sarcasm, doubt, arrogance or displays of ignorance concerning the history of chiropractic physicians , won't change present. past or future reality, but feel free to do so anyhow.

chris_at_lucas_RN, RN · Nov 29, 2003

I just looked at the last several of these posts, and what sarcasm drips from them!

Chiropractors are physicians. Are they MD's? No. Are they DO's? No. They are DC's--chiropractic physicians. As a group, they are excellent, and they provide some very exceptional care!

Why would someone stop being a chiropractor after 30 years? I'm curious--but not interested in reading a ten page tome, so please keep it short, or don't bother, at least on my account.

And please don't refer to me as "dear sweet Cris" (spelling not your forte, eh?) and then jam something into my ribs.

I *did* research Academy of Nursing (who the heck is "A of C?") apparently BETTER than you did. At least I go the name right. I wouldn't have called that a "bitter experience," so, since it was *my* experience, Hawaiit, why do *you*? :chuckle

Hawaiit--interesting that you said in some earlier posts that you were "all but a psychotherapist" but just hadn't gotten around to getting your license. Were you REALLY a chiropractor? Or just almost one...... :eek:

Sounds mighty interesting and suspicous to me. :rolleyes: You should have titled your last post here "How Great I Art!" (And the plural of "test" is "tests," incidentally, not "test.")

If arrogance and pride are the causes of disease, I hope you are taking something for it!

Anyway, I'm outta here. I made my pt about A of N (NNNNNNNNNursing!!!) and will continue to do so, wherever and whenever the opp arises...

hawaiit · Nov 30, 2003

Chris I am flattered all you can find to criticize in my grammar is a few spelling errors. If you find spelling errors so dammanable you should critique Excelsiors new CPNE Study guide as it is full of spelling errors, and even more atrocious seemingly unedited errors. You might want to drop your enrollment with Excelsior, report them to the NLN, and NY state authorities while your alerting the authorities in Utah about the Academy of Nursing.

I never said I quit being a chiropractor after 30 years, or that that "I was all but a pychotherapist". You did; more poor research?

If you had any experience treating patients as I have, and as caring nurses must have, when they encounter the many patients with colicky attitudes as you seem to have you would know you need to be a pychotherapist to get through to them to help them.

Chiropractors used to put them on sauerkraut juice, no pun intended, for a couple of weeks and then treated them. It put lactic acid in their intestines, nourished the intestinal flora and often drammatically "sweetened" their sour-grippey attitudes. It was the same effect of clearing bile from a crying = colicky baby.

Oriental medicine divides patients into four types, one being the "yellow-bile-beligerant" patient. They directed their therapy towards the gallbladder, usualy with accupuncture to K-27 pt. just inferior to the medial meniscous of the knee, the most treated AP point on the body?

I wouldn't be an Excelsior student if they had not received official grade transcripts, copies of my diplomas for my degrees, etc. I could send you copies also, along with photocopies of my state license to practise chiropractic in Fla. and Miss. if it would ease your troubled spirit. The unusual snow storm in the Seattle area, along with high winds and flooding I had to evade did put off my scheduled CPNE test date last weekend. Otherwise there is nothing "I haven't quite got around to getting". I was in licensed and in private practise as a chiropractic physician in Naples-Ft. Myers Fla. area begining in 74'. Search the archives of Naples newspaper for a 1/2 page article with a picture of my sign with the unusual name for a chiropractor "Touchy".

Seriously most cultures in the world have relied on either lactic acid rich diets, or diets rich in acidolphilus from yogurt to yak butter to sauerkraut to pickes and vinegars as a primary defense aganist physical and mental health problems. You might want to take advantage of their wisdom.

Sorry this couldn't be a brief reply but it wouldn't of said anything if it had been. By the way HAWAIIT is a misspelling also? It seems were all prone to it.

chris_at_lucas_RN, RN · Nov 30, 2003

Just tried out the "ignore list."

This works great! If you don't want to read someone's stuff, you put them on your ignore list. You still get the notice that there was a replay to your thread, but when you get there, there is a note that says, this person is on your ignore list, and if you want to read what they wrote, you click on a button.

Waaaaay Toooooo Coooooool!!!

kimlpn · Dec 1, 2003

I have just been reading a few of these posts and seriously question the emotional and psychological stability of some. Obviously this person chris just wanted to share his/her experience with A and N and then the entire thread went insane. Hawaiit if you have gained so much insight and intellect with many years of wisdom--do you battle your patients down when they don't see eye to eye with you? Speak of sour try some of that pickle juice too. Practice what you preach--maybe you should go back and read these posts all over again--because you seem very argumentative. This is my first time reading these and sorry to say but sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder!

Spazzy Nurse, RN · Dec 2, 2003

Good call, Kim.