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Hello! I am new to allnurses.com and have a question for you guys. Does anyone know of any place in the country that serves as a training facility for PICC insertion. I work for an infusion company and we are putting together a PICC proposal to present to physicians in our area. Currently we have an anesthesiologist at one of our hospitals who helps us with PICC lines and IR at our other hospital. We have presented to one hospital and they were not interested in starting a PICC team. Myself and one other nurse in my company have sat through the classroom portion of Bard's PICC class and we have observed at South Georgia Medical Center (amazing PICC team by the way). I have contacted our regional Bard rep but with no response at this point. P.S. Anyone going to INS in Orlando?

Specializes in Critical Care, Emergency, Infusion.

I am part owner of an infusion company and after our PICC class, we will travel to the facilities of our students and precept them (at a fee of course) until they feel comfortable going solo, providing back-up and telephone troubleshooting for as long as they need us.

I don't know what state you are in, but I believe Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis and one of the catholic hospitals in Cincinnati (I'm sorry - the name eludes me at the moment) provide training with precepting in those facilities.

And I do believe one of my partners will be in Orlando for INS.

Sherri

Thank you. I will check this out. I think I will call PICCexcellence and check with them also. I have someone who will come and precept in my facility provided we have the patients. That is the hard part. It is hard to say ok on these 3 days we will have 15 patients. In my area it just will not work. So actually putting in PICCs under supervision and feeling comfortable with US is what I need so I can actually go to these docs and say hey I can do it. Send them to me. Of course with a vita on hand and a very detailed, professional proposal.

MD Anderson in Houston, TX has a 3-4 day program, where you actually get to place the lines!

Hi ART96,

I am a PICC team member at a facility in PA that allows PICC certified nurses to come in and learn how to insert PICC lines. You do need a PA license to train here and you have to have taken the PICC certification test. The criteria is that you come for 2-3 days and have a minimum of 3 successful insertions prior to finishing your training. If you are interested in more information please let me know.

Specializes in Critical Care, Emergency, Infusion.

"The criteria is that you come for 2-3 days and have a minimum of 3 successful insertions prior to finishing your training."

I precept nurses in hospitals where 10-15 PICCs are ordered per day and we get to do as many as we can without killing ourselves (maybe only 3-4 the first few days) and it is still at the very least a couple of weeks before the student and I feel they can go solo. . .so starting an infusion team with only 3 successful insertions? Wow.

From your original post, I am a little confused: are you starting an independent infusion company/agency or are you starting an infusion team within a hospital? If you would like to PM me, I can give you sooooooo much advice since I have experience doing both!

Check out these websites: http://www.infusionknowledge.com and http://www.vascularaccessspecialists.com

Good luck!

Sherri

I am not starting an infusion company nor am I starting a new team. I am a member of a team that supports education at our facility. Our hopes are that a new PICC nurse have at a MINIMUM of 3 successful solo insertions. That doesn't mean that is all that is required. Of course they have to feel comfortable with what they are doing before they leave our facility, but like most other facilities we do charge a fee so depending on their facility, that determines how many days they are allowed to be with us. Anyone who comes can come as many days as they feel appropriate until they are comfortable. We still keep in touch with all the nurses we have trained so far. They are free to contact us with question, problems or concerns. At our facility we place approx 200 per month so there is a lot of opportunity for insertions. The nurses who have trained with us are usually new PICC nurses attempting to start up a team at their facility. We have gotten a lot of good feedback from them. Hope that cleared up some of your questions.

Specializes in Critical Care, Emergency, Infusion.

philly22--

I'm sorry! My question about starting an infusion team was referring back to the original poster - ART96.

I was just thinking back in the day when I was a new PICC nurse how daunting it would have been for ME to start a new infusion team/company with only 3 successful insertions under my belt. . .talk about sweaty armpits!

I precept nurses in hospitals where 10-15 PICCs are ordered per day and we get to do as many as we can without killing ourselves (maybe only 3-4 the first few days) and it is still at the very least a couple of weeks before the student and I feel they can go solo. . .
-- I should have added that I also precept nurses in hospitals where they only place PICCs once every 3-4 months, and I have been called to assist in every placement even after a year or more.

My experience as an independent preceptor is quite frequently with nurses from small, rural hospitals that have been sent to a large facility to learn, they get their 2-3 successful insertions, and they leave the larger hospital with a great learning experience, all excited to poke someone and show off their newly learned skills. BUT when they return to their own facility, it may be a month or longer before they get a chance to stick someone again and by then they have forgotten what they learned, lost their confidence, or the equipment they have to work with is nothing like what they learned with and they are not successful. I recently signed a contract with a small hospital to precept their 2 new PICC nurses in their facility -- it had been 6 MONTHS since their training at a larger hospital. Their ultrasound machine was a huge monster with 10 different probes and no one had trained them on how to use it. But we got that first PICC in and had a great time doing it!;)

May all your PICCs go SVC!

Sherri

Specializes in peds,picu,nicu.

Hello Philly 22,

I am also eager in learning how to place PICC's. I am in PA as well. Does your hospital pay you as a regular staff RN or do you get extra $ for each PICC you place? How many PICC's do you place per day? Do you work 8's or 12's?

Hi mom to a princess,

We get paid around the same amount as staff nurses except we are salaried. We do not get paid for each individual PICC we place. Our shifts that we work are either 8 or 10 hours. Our coverage is M-F 8-6 and weekends and holidays we work 8-4. On an average we can place any where between 12- 25 PICCs per day. We average around 250-300 per month. Are you trying to start a team at your facility?

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