Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why not

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I was listening to talk radio this week where they discussed a mandate in NY that all healthcare workers will be required to get the vaccines if they want to continue to work with patients. There were many that called in and said they felt it a violation of their rights. I'd like to explore both sides of the topic-we can have differing opinions and that is ok. What do you think?

I will be getting both by personal choice. I have already rec'd the seasonal and awaiting H1N1, which I have been told, will be free at our school.

and on the same token, some never develop immunity no matter how many shots they get. The most obvious example of this is with Hep B. Some people need more than the 3 shots or regular boosters just so their titres show acceptable levels. And for some, no matter how many boosters they get, their titres come up negative.

Perfect example!

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Right...but they still get it. With this, you only need 1 shot or 1 nasal spray.

Nah I'd rather get the flu and take my chances. :)

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Actually...a lot of the diseases were on the decline before the vaccines were made. So vaccines were introduced and people automatically thought the vaccines were the reason. I seen a chart at one time that showed the diseases and the years the vaccines were introduced and I can understand why people would think that.

Polio was not eradicated because it was naturally on the decline. Neither was Smallpox or Measles, Mumps, Rubella. Actually the latter three are on a rebound in some parts because of hysterical mothers not wanting to give their kids vaccinations. They now have to live with the result of the devastating effects of MMR. Smallpox vaccinations were so successful that we no longer need vaccines as it was totally eradicated from the US.

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But thats because your anti-body or titers decrease due to you not being exposed to it because the disease has been 99.9% eradicated from the general population cohort due to...yup vaccines.

have you ever asked yourself that if a particular disease has been eradicated from a given population (eg. polio in the US), due to vaccination, then why the continued need for such vaccinations?

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have you ever asked yourself that if a particular disease has been eradicated from a given population (eg. polio in the US), due to vaccination, then why the continued need for such vaccinations?

Because diseases don't recognize borders. Ever since the invention of the airplane its been pretty hard to control.

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Right...but they still get it. With this, you only need 1 shot or 1 nasal spray.

who still gets it? I know many who have stopped because there is no point. Their bodies simply will not build immunity.

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Who gets it? I dont know - someone brought up some anecdotal hypothetical person who gets hepb vaccines.

Anyway, I think we've exhausted all that there is to extract from this convo and I grow tired. I think we can all agree that an informed decision is the best thing to do.

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Because diseases don't recognize borders. Ever since the invention of the airplane its been pretty hard to control.

So limit your own travel if you are truly concerned. Or better yet, if someone from another country who happens to have polio comes here to the US and who possibly infects one of our citizens, then maybe lets broach the topic of continued polio vaccination.

If we are basing our vaccination recs and scheduling based on hypotheticals, then well, there is a problem IMO. Lets save mass vaccinations for true emergencies.

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Polio was not eradicated because it was naturally on the decline. Neither was Smallpox or Measles, Mumps, Rubella. Actually the latter three are on a rebound in some parts because of hysterical mothers not wanting to give their kids vaccinations. They now have to live with the result of the devastating effects of MMR. Smallpox vaccinations were so successful that we no longer need vaccines as it was totally eradicated from the US.

Hysterical? Mothers like myself are hysterical because we're worried about the ingredients in vaccines being harmful? Isn't that being cautious? And protective? We're not worried they're harmful...it's a fact! Why don't you do yourself a favor and look up such chemicals as mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum and whatever else you can find depending on the vaccine. Are you talking about the devastating effects of measles, mumps or rubella? Or the MMR vaccine? Because I know plenty of moms that feel horrible because of the devastating effects the MMR had on their child....including death. So I'm glad you feel vaccines are 100% safe and you put 100% trust in the vaccine makers....I'm glad you're not hysterical. But wait....why are you arguing about the fact that everyone should be vaccinated. Who's the hysterical one? Oh and I'm wondering....since we don't vaccinate for smallpox anymore, why hasn't that come back?

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Because diseases don't recognize borders. Ever since the invention of the airplane its been pretty hard to control.

What about the smallpox vaccine? By this logic, don't you think that should be on the long list of vaccines for babies?

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Smallpox vaccinations were so successful that we no longer need vaccines as it was totally eradicated from the US.

but wait....wern't you the one who said that diseases don't recognize borders?

By this logic, don't you think that should be on the long list of vaccines are babies?

Stole the words right out of my mouth CrunchyMama!

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Who gets it? I dont know - someone brought up some anecdotal hypothetical person who gets hepb vaccines.

Anyway, I think we've exhausted all that there is to extract from this convo and I grow tired. I think we can all agree that an informed decision is the best thing to do.

INFORMED DECISION....that's the key!! That's what everyone should be doing! But when people go around saying and thinking that vaccines don't contain mercury and are safe an informed decision isn't going to occur. We should all question and look into what we're injecting in our bodies and our kids and decide from there. Most people look at nutritional facts on food....vaccines shouldn't be any different. And when a parent looks at these ingredients, they shouldn't be called a hysterical parent.

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