Saunders vs Kaplan

suzanne4, RN · Oct 11, 2005

I have also not found an incorrect rationale with their answers, and I have with the others.

thatoneguy · Oct 11, 2005

For those using Saunders , I am finding it tricky on how to fill in the blank answers. Not the ones that say "Pick all that apply", or the ones that say "Put the numbers in order. Not those ones but the ones that actually wants you to write the answer in yourself.
EG (paraphrased coz i'm not sure we are allowed to put questions fron textbks as they are)
EG. the nurse had to prioritise which patient to see first
A patient with a tracheostomy and is also on a mechanical ventilator.
A patient for discharge at 1pm
A patient on daily dressing change
A patient wanting to know the time for his next meds
And the answer was Patient with a tracheostomy and on the mechanical ventilator
Saunders said wrong: the answer is The patient who has a tracheostomy and is on the mechanical ventilator.
My question is is there a trick on how to phrase these answers that I am missing or what? I need help coz its driving me crazy. ( By the way I made up some of the patients except the one with the trachy. Please help. Sorry I made this long.

not sure what you mean rephrase it. the trach and the mech vent= patient airway is compromised, due to physical obstruction and an increase in secreations. the others are in no immediate danger. its ok to put the question on the net. just tell your source. like quoting from any book. the board questions are not publications, that is way you cann't repeat them.

suzanne4, RN · Oct 11, 2005

Questions cannot be posted here in their entirety. They are the property of the author, and if you take a look at any of your question books, it states that you need written permission of the publisher to be able to use their questions in any other publication or medium, which this site is.

We have to follow US Copyright laws here. Please read the sticky concerning such at the top of this forum.

thatoneguy · Oct 12, 2005

not to be a pain but unless this site has that policy it is ok to post the exact question. the specific section relating to this is section 107 of the Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. § 107 (1994). here:

I. The Fair Use Doctrine

Article I, section 8 of the Constitution empowers Congress to "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." U.S. Const. art. I, § 8, cl. 8. Pursuant to that power, Congress enacted the Copyright Act of 1976, Pub. L. No. 94-553, 90 Stat. 2541 (1976) (codified as amended at 17 U.S.C. § 101 et seq. (1994)) ("the Copyright Act" or "the 1976 Act"). Section 106 of the Copyright Act provides, inter alia, that the owner of a copyright under Title 17 of the United States Code "has the exclusive rights . . . to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies," and to "authorize" such reproduction. 17 U.S.C. § 106(1) (1994). Those "exclusive rights," however, are "ubject to" limitations codified in "sections 107 through 120" of the 1976 Act. Id. § 106. For present purposes, the most important of those limitations is found in section 107 of the Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. § 107 (1994). That section, which is entitled "Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use," provides, in pertinent part:

Notwithstanding the provisions of section[] 106 . . . , the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies . . . , for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include --

it is a long document. very very long. this is just but part of the copyright laws. if you would like to read the whole thing it is available on the DOJ website.

safewaygreenbox · Oct 12, 2005

I know where you are comming from as I too have this problem - it seems that unless you say the answer in exactly the the right way it marks you down as incorrect even if you are not, you just said it in a slightly different way as you pointed out below.

''And the answer was Patient with a tracheostomy and on the mechanical ventilator

Saunders said wrong: the answer is The patient who has a tracheostomy and is on the mechanical ventilator.''

And you carn't allways copy it directly!!

anybody got any ideas?

Cheers Kay x

For those using Saunders , I am finding it tricky on how to fill in the blank answers. Not the ones that say "Pick all that apply", or the ones that say "Put the numbers in order. Not those ones but the ones that actually wants you to write the answer in yourself.
EG (paraphrased coz i'm not sure we are allowed to put questions fron textbks as they are)
EG. the nurse had to prioritise which patient to see first
A patient with a tracheostomy and is also on a mechanical ventilator.
A patient for discharge at 1pm
A patient on daily dressing change
A patient wanting to know the time for his next meds
And the answer was Patient with a tracheostomy and on the mechanical ventilator
Saunders said wrong: the answer is The patient who has a tracheostomy and is on the mechanical ventilator.
My question is is there a trick on how to phrase these answers that I am missing or what? I need help coz its driving me crazy. ( By the way I made up some of the patients except the one with the trachy. Please help. Sorry I made this long.

thatoneguy · Oct 12, 2005

o ic. it "the question" wants the exact wording not just key words in the answer you give. if my assumption is correct than i would just know i got it right and move on. never heard of anyone getting those type questions coming up on the boards. or if you really want you could always try to do a grammar check on your answers.

suzanne4, RN · Oct 12, 2005

In the review books that people are using for NCLEX, there is a clause in the front of the book that states they are not to be copied or published without express permission of the publisher.

The actual NCLEX exam also states this. And the Board thast writes the exam has actually been going after nurses who post any of the questions. It specificaaly states that you will not do so when you sit for the exam. There are have been websites that are under legal isses right now because of it. And some nurses have been charged.

Posting the question here does not open it for discussion or for critical analysis.

suzanne4, RN · Oct 12, 2005

If it says that you need permission from the pubmisher to copy and publish, then that is what we follow. No sense in getting into legal issues with anyone.

p.s. I have read and studied the entire copyright law in the past. Went over it when I got my MBA.:)

thatoneguy · Oct 12, 2005

i understand not wanting to get into legal issues. i would do the same if i was running this site. i know how people can abuse and cross the line. however, posting it here would come under the comment and criticism limitations. because, we are not copying and publishing it, just criticising it. board question are not published thus they are not open for comment or criticism and you sign and agree not to repeat the questions in any form thus, you enter a contract when you take the board test. so posting board questions is not a copyright issue but a contractual issue. when you buy a book you do not enter such a contract, but i do understand not wanting anyone to post anything as the site can serve its purpose without getting into the leagal stuff. this is just a soft spot with me. sorry for being, for lack of a better word, a pain. ok i will not say any more and as always will respect your policies. like i said this is just a soft spot with me. because, the copyright law was created for the purpose to promote the progress of science and useful arts. not allowing comment or critism would go against the purpose of the law.(you can not criticize with out using the entire phrase or word, ect..) this is why the fair use doctrine was created. aaahhh there i go again. ok enough about that.

Bambury · Oct 12, 2005

In case you're curious: I passed with 75 questions!

I would still recommend Kaplan. That course had the most priority, "what should the nurse do first", and LPN and nursing assignments strewn all over than any other nclex material's I have looked into!I had a quite a lot of those questions in the exam.

Knowing content is important too. Otherwise, one wouldn't know whom to attend first! So don't choose Kaplan alone. Use content based Review books like Saunders. Lippincott Q&A is also excellent!

Godspeed!

thatoneguy · Oct 12, 2005

:balloons: GREAT NEWS MY FELLOW RN:smiley_aa

:beer: CONGRATULATIONS GREAT JOB:cheers:

feel free jump around. or yell out :w00t: :w00t:

PreggersRN, BSN, RN · Nov 7, 2005

I agree with BabyRN2Be, I used Kaplan for the GRE and if the one for the NCLEX-RN is like that I did not find it helpful. I am using Suzanne's study plan and it is very logical. I am using Saunder's. I would take Saunders over Kaplan.

Just my opinion.