Rep. Gifford shooting: The Shooter

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I thought about putting this on Allnurses Central and maybe a mod will end up moving it - but I am really bothered, and it has a lot to do with my disability (bipolar). Has to do with my functioning as a nurse. Also has to do with our patients, what if we have to take care of someone who has shot and killed other people? (I'm sure many of you have had to deal w/ it).

Funny, just last nite saw Grey's Anatomy in which they had to operate on a shooter in a mass casualty situation.

ANYway - here is my rant, do with it as you will, I just cut-and-pasted it from my almost-post on Central:

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Here is a rant, skip it if you are sick of hearing about other people's problems (lol)

REALLY upset about this shooting, but not for the reasons you might think. A friend mentioned we need to pray for the shooter's family as well as for those in the crossfire. Didn't occur to me, and she was right.

Later, I realized we ought to pray for the shooter himself.

GAH -= I hate that people are going to pick apart his "being disturbed" as they call it. It's obvious apparently, from his FB and myspace accounts, that it has been festering for a long time...

So, of COURSE mental illness a major cause. I can't imagine a scenario where anyone who shoots a human being (other than self-defense) could possibly be sane.

But I can't help but think about a few members of my family, and I myself, who suffer from mental illness, and but for the grace of God it could have been one of us with that gun - (shaking my head). And now sitting in a jail cell wondering what on earth happened ... or even - feeling justified? He might be...

I imagine his family is wondering "what if" and "what could they have done to help him before he got to this point..."

I don't know why I "went there" but I don't like it. Just feeling really sad and disgusted.

It really makes me mad the cost of mental illness on the fabric of our society, emotionally, financially, etc.

And, selfishly I know, hating that I have to deal with my own. Like, dealing with meds and dr's appts, plus all the worry about 2 siblings and my own son - who don't really take care of their illness. And, if you recall, I went a couple years thinking it was wise not to be on meds myself. Found out I was risking myself and my patients' safety, because I did relapse with my hypomania. That ALSO makes me mad, in hindsight. I could have hurt someone, or myself, on the job, driving, who knows?

Which goes to show you, the person with mental illness doesn't always judge their problem correctly!!! Feeling a little guilt there. At times have felt VERY guilty.

Of course, the meds aren't always right, so it isn't always the patient. And, sometimes side effects can make a person screwy.

So, forgive me for ranting a little bit - I am just really sad for the whole situation. Of course I am upset for the people who were shot and their loved ones.

There is also the obvious thought, that life is short and we never know when someone we love can be taken away from us - reminds us to make peace with each other and with God.

Sighhhh-

that's media spin. it's kinda like giving a silver star to a girl who's convoy gets ambushed, fails to get off a shot, breaks her leg, gets captured, and later rescued. the guy who was in her convoy that managed to kill several enemy troops, got off his entire load-out of 200 rounds, and some of another guy's? he got a bronze star.

why tell the truth about a situation when you can spin it?

"Patricia Maisch was in line with her husband to get a photo with Rep. Giffords when the suspect in Saturday's shooting opened fire on Giffords and the crowd at the northside political event.

Pima County Sheriff's officials say that when the shooting started, Maisch ran up to the suspect, Jared Lee Loughner, and grabbed the empty extended magazine from his 9mm Glock pistol. As he was loading a second 31-round magazine, she grabbed that - forcing him to load a third magazine, which jammed while he was loading it.

Loughner was then tackled and subdued by two men - Roger Sulzgeber, who was in line to meet Giffords, and Joseph Zimudio, who was down the councourse at the nearby Walgreens. Loughner was held until police arrived and took him into custody."

http://www.kvoa.com/news/sheriffs-identify-the-3-people-who-disarmed-subdued-shooting-suspect/

All the reporting about this I've seen has indicated that Ms. Maisch (61) was the first to engage Mr. Loughner; including the ABC "Sunday Morning with Christiane Amanpour" show "town hall" last Sunday, in which the two gentlemen who pinned Loughner down on the ground and held him until the authorities arrived discussed that Maisch had intervened first.

It was the military that lied about Pfc. Jessica Lynch, not the media, just like they lied about Pat Tillman's death (and all the other things they're lying to us about that we haven't found out about yet ...).

But don't let the facts interfere with your personal opinions ...

grabbed the empty extended magazine from his 9mm Glock pistol. As he was loading a second 31-round magazine, she grabbed that - forcing him to load a third magazine, which jammed while he was loading it.

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like i said, she grabbed an empty magazine. it was the two guys that tackled the shooter. the 2nd one listed being the armed responder.

sheriffs identify 3 people who disarmed, subdued shooting suspect

pima county sheriff's officials say that when the shooting started, maisch ran up to the suspect, jared lee loughner, and grabbed the empty extended magazine from his 9mm glock pistol. as he was loading a second 31-round magazine, she grabbed that - forcing him to load a third magazine, which jammed while he was loading it.

loughner was then tackled and subdued by two men - roger sulzgeber, who was in line to meet giffords, and joseph zimudio, who was down the councourse at the nearby walgreens. loughner was held until police arrived and took him into custody.

what if she had not delayed his attempt to reload? would the two men have made it to the shooter in time to prevent reloading? we will never know - give credit where credit is due.

i've seen "schizophrenic" used frequently, re loughner's mental illness.

and if true, i just cannot fathom a more tragic dx.

a few yrs ago, i watched a dramatization of what it is allegedly like to be schizophrenic.

i was horrified, and just cannot imagine living my life hearing voices in my head, over and over and over.

there are mental illnesses that normally wouldn't elicit sympathy.

heck, society isn't sympathetic to mental illness- period.

for some reason though, i am sympathetic to schizophrenia and just cannot blame loughner, when it is likely that it was one of the 'voices' he was responding to.

"not guilty by reason of insanity" is reasonable.

so how about "insane and dangerous".

wouldn't that (also) imply that the person doesn't belong in society?

i believe that loughner is beyond help, and shouldn't ever be free again.

still...it's all just so, so sad.

leslie

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