ADN vs BSN pay for RN - page 5

I have always heard that no matter what level of education you have if you are working on the floor as an RN then you get paid the same if you have your ADN or your BSN, (not considering floors,... Read More

  1. by   ImBeautiful1
    In some hospitals BSN pay may be a few cents higher I think.
  2. by   Bloodsucker
    My hospital pays about 2k a year extra for BSN. Many schools are now offering accelerated MSN programs for students with previous four year degrees outside of nursing. I think the trend of education is upward and the pay may or may not follow. Nonetheless, ADNs are a thing of the past. What is an LPN?
  3. by   magnolia3957
    I have a BS. I am starting the ADN program this fall. I spoke to recruiters at UAb and was told there would be no difference in pay.

    AND yes, UAB now has a MSN program for 2nd degree students.
  4. by   Bloodsucker
    Well Magnolia, it is the University of Alabama you are attending.....
    If they told you there would be no diff. in pay, they are absolutely fibbing. Call some of the larger hospitals and ask them. Here in GA, it is harder and harder for an ADN (without exp) to get employment in top hospitals. I have a friend at JH and she has an ADN. It took an act of congress to get her a job at that institution. WIth that said, she is an example that there are exceptions to the evolving rules. I know I will not be popular for asking this but, isn't it time the people who take care of us when we are down and out have more education? If nursing is to say the course of bedpan toating, then so be it. Minimize the learning to the most dummied down cirriculum. If we want nursing to be more, let's answer the call and dedicate ourselves to a life of learning. Right?
  5. by   magnolia3957
    I think she meant no difference in pay for my situation, since I already have a BS. I totally agree on the more education thing. Although I am opting for the ADN route, if I did not already have a BS I would by ALL MEANS be doing the BSN. I think that the ADN nurses get a good nursing education but are left in the cold with the other subjects of life that a full bachelors education at a real university allows you. I will probably not be liked for saying that either!
  6. by   barefootlady
    I have many hours towards my BSN, but life and health issues have kept me from completing it. One thing for sure, it is not always the degree that matters, it is the character of the nurse. I admire anyone who has gone on and gotten a higher degree, most are dedicated, good teachers in most settings, and want to impart knowledge and a sense of caring and ethics to their fellow workers/students. But the sad truth is, after over 28 years as a nurse, I can usually spot many nurses who feel the job is just a paycheck. I recently took care of a nursing instructors mother, just did my job, no special treatment, upon discharge she told the unit manager, if I had not been the nurse during the critical time her mother had for a few days she would have removed her from the facility. Seems she liked my dedication to doing the job a patient needs, not just collecting a pay check. That made me feel good. After all of this time, I needed to hear a good word, and to be recognized as a good nurse. No matter the degree it is still the person character and committment to the job of nursing that counts. I do not know what or how that will ever be imparted to administrations.
  7. by   Bloodsucker
    It wont...cirriculums can't teach it. This includes all types of degree levels.
  8. by   siby.siby
    Ok I know this might cause someone getting upset but here it goes...I have friends that are BSN nurses and work with both ADN and BSN nurses. They tell me some of the BSN nurses do not really know what they are doing as opposed to some ADN nurses that know more.
    I had gallbladder surgery July of this year. I had a BSN nurse taking care of me--can you believe that she did not that know what a gallbladder surgery was? She freaked me out because I had recently come out of surgery and she was giving me wrong information! Later that day I had an ADN nurse taking care of me and she told me everything was okay and made sure to get the doctor to explain to me that everything was okay. The funny thing is that where I had it done they have this kind of surgery on a daily basis; it's very frustrating to see that some nurses with higher education aren't all that well prepared...

    Quote from Bloodsucker
    I know I will not be popular for asking this but, isn't it time the people who take care of us when we are down and out have more education? If nursing is to say the course of bedpan toating, then so be it. Minimize the learning to the most dummied down cirriculum. If we want nursing to be more, let's answer the call and dedicate ourselves to a life of learning. Right?
  9. by   Bloodsucker
    The only thing I can say as a word of caution is to be careful if you plan to get any advanced education. Some programs only accept a "BSN" while others accept a combo of BS and RN. I do not know what educational theories are used to justify either or, but just keep in mind some programs do, indeed, require a BSN. Some schools offer an RN to MSN accelerated program. This is ok IF you are only interested in an MSN and not interested in NP or CRNA.
  10. by   Bloodsucker
    It was the was the versed and twilight sedation.... LOL
  11. by   siby.siby
    where do you live? in florida they still hire adn nurses.

    i understand what you are saying but just know any field just because you have your bachelor’s does not guarantee everything will be great.

    like barefootlady said, being able to treat the patient with “respect” is what is more important. i am going into the field because i want to help people not because of the pay.

    i am not bad mouthing bsn nurses because i myself eventually will do the time education-wise to become an np or even crna, it all depends on what god has for my calling. when i get to that point i would never say one nurse is less of a nurse because of the type of degree they have, i believe that is wrong!
  12. by   Bloodsucker
    There is a time to believe and a time to think. Know when, where and how either are important. Is the answer in health care academic? Is the answer touchy touchy feely feely? Might we need a spectrum of both where we can slide more academic or compassion and a mixed % of each? Just keep in mind, while we are here gazing at our bellybuttons expression how we "believe" and feel on some sort of drum beating philosophical conquest, MDs, PharmDs are researching what it REALLY takes to keep people alive and save them. You can hold a person's hand and weep or you can run a code, understand the science behind what is going on and take initiative to save them. Of course there comes a time when science will not save them and only comfort is available; we all know that. But in the end it is what YOU DO that will help a person live. The last time I kept tabs, weeping never saved a life. Hard work in school always laid the foundation good strong clinicians need to give good outcomes. With all that said, I personally do not forget what is meant to be that organic humann who has the ability to build the confidence a family and client needs. I have never had a problem doing this in an ICU setting using my brains.
  13. by   Bloodsucker
    PS: I live in Georgia where schools are quickly shedding ADN programs for BSN programs. Our vocational schools are picking up ADN programs now. How long that will last? I have no idea. But I do know the scope and practice of the RN could possibly change based on degree levels. With an increased demand on our health care system, what else can we expect? We can't pull aliens out of the sky to help staff our shortage and we can't bring back the 70 million aborted babies, say sorry and offer jobs to them. One of the only thing we can do is improve the education of folks and broaden their scope of practice right? In the "my sand box your sand box" mentality of health care, we might have to get use to it and accept others doing things that were not conceivable just a few decades ago. IE NPs and PAs taking over primary care, training BSN RNs to suture A-Lines. Who knows what we'll be doing in the next ten to fifteen years. RNs are already putting in PICCs and we couldn't do that just a few years ago and I can assure you if it were not for advanced education RNs wouldn't be doing it now!