"Don't waste your time getting your BSN..."

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People are always trying to tell me that I am going to waste my time by not stopping after getting my ASN. They say that getting your BSN just gets you management positions and that it does not pay more. I am going for my masters so I can be a CNM, so I have to have my BSN anyway but, how could it be true that a person with a BSN gets the same as a person with a ASN? (Aside from the fact that working in different dept can make a difference)

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in all honesty, i'd be hard pressed to find a more worthless enhancement of a professional education than the increment from asn to bsn. these classes are mostly fluff, and do absolutely nothing to improve the ability of a nurse to work on the floor.

thnigs like personal organization (to some extent an inherent trait) and practical experience make the difference on the floor.

is it any wonder why employers only pay lip service to bsn? the folks in the ivory towers are desperate to seize control of the profession. reality won't let that happen. otherwise, there wouldn't be a debate and this thread wouldn't exist.

if you want a bsn, i say go for it. after all, this is america. i just think addtional education in underwater basket weaving adds as much practical value to the acutal job nurses do.

Thank-you to Tramahawk99:

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Specializes in oncology, surgical stepdown, ACLS & OCN.
Thank-you to Tramahawk99:

I agree A BSN are mostly fluff classes and doesn't really teach anything about pt. care. It also allows you to work in another capacity which most nurses don't want to do until they are older.

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Would someone tell me what ADN is?

Associate's Degree Nursing. It's a two year degree as opposed to a Bachelor (of) Science Nursing, which is a four year degree. If you want to expand your education, you really do need that BSN to build on.

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i have learned far more about phamacology and pathophys on the floor than a bsn fresh out of school would know.

how did i learn this? from having patients, and looking up drugs, etc... while caring for patients. how would having a bsn impact this? would i be smarter, jump higher?

the move to make entry level nursing the province of bsn trained (unfortunately, the comparison to monkeys seems quite accurate) nurses is simply a power grab from those in academia. this, to the great detriment of our healthcare system. these people couldn't care any less about the realities of nursing and patient care. they want to BE RESPECTED AND IN CONTROL.

I agree that practical experience trumps book-learnin'. That's why physicians have internships and residencies. Do you assume that your practical experience from 'having patients, and looking up drugs, etc...' is more valuable and accurate than a BSN educated RN's? As an experienced RN of any stripe you will have an edge on someone just out of school.

Posts like this in this thread are insulting frankly. Saying that BSN educated RN's are like trained monkeys is a little much, don't you all think? Let's be real. Given a scenario where you have no time or financial considerations, would you choose an associate degree over a bachelor's degree? Is it a bad thing that academia and the powers-that-be in the nursing profession want entry level nurses to have a BSN? Shame on them for wishing professionals with what is conventionally considered a basic level of education on the public!

I suppose I'll have to introduce myself to patients this way from now on: "Hello, Mrs. Jones. My name is Dave and I'll be your nurse until 11:30 tonight. But, I must warn you, I have a Bachelor's degree. This puts your health and well being in imminent danger."

Cheerio,

Dave

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Im working on pre reqs for RN-BSN right now. I'm doing it because I want to further my education.... AND, if the lord is willing, I will get my master's too. Call it monkey-training if you want, I really dont give a crap. The way I see it, if you want to get BSN, do it. If not, then DONT! Dont knock people who want to further their education... that doesnt make any sense! OH, and yes, nurses with more education should get more money.

Higher education = more pay, period.

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Specializes in oncology, surgical stepdown, ACLS & OCN.
Im working on pre reqs for RN-BSN right now. I'm doing it because I want to further my education.... AND, if the lord is willing, I will get my master's too. Call it monkey-training if you want, I really dont give a crap. The way I see it, if you want to get BSN, do it. If not, then DONT! Dont knock people who want to further their education... that doesnt make any sense! OH, and yes, nurses with more education should get more money.

Higher education = more pay, period.

I know more education doesn't equal more pay, I have an ADN + 1 year of LPN

school and I make close to 6 figures, I am looking into an accelarated BSN program so I can work longer in a different capacity. I always thought the heart

of nursing was at the bedside, but I think and know that we can't do bedside nursing forever, but we can teach if we acquire a masteres degree. I know nurses that have a masteres degree and still do clinical work because it pays more.I know one nurse who is 60 years old and work fulltime doing clinical work, but she teaches partime, but she makes more for clinical work. All this proves that doing

other work besides clinical does not pay more. This whole picture for a career in

nursing needs to change and getting a BSN is only entry level like an ADN. If a BSN should make more money, then they should take different state board exam.

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i know more education doesn't equal more pay, i have an adn + 1 year of lpn

school and i make close to 6 figures, i am looking into an accelarated bsn program so i can work longer in a different capacity. i always thought the heart

of nursing was at the bedside, but i think and know that we can't do bedside nursing forever, but we can teach if we acquire a masteres degree. i know nurses that have a masteres degree and still do clinical work because it pays more.i know one nurse who is 60 years old and work fulltime doing clinical work, but she teaches partime, but she makes more for clinical work. all this proves that doing

other work besides clinical does not pay more. this whole picture for a career in

nursing needs to change and getting a bsn is only entry level like an adn. if a bsn should make more money, then they should take different state board exam.

you didnt get more money when you transitioned from lpn to rn? i sure did. :lol2:

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Specializes in Occ health, Med/surg, ER.

Scooter, what is your rationale for BSN to take another state board exam to get more pay?

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Specializes in oncology, surgical stepdown, ACLS & OCN.
You didnt get more money when you transitioned from LPN to RN? I sure did. :lol2:

I believe I got a 10,000.00 15000.00 dollar raise when I went from LPN to RN that so long ago I don't remember exactly.

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Specializes in oncology, surgical stepdown, ACLS & OCN.
Scooter, what is your rationale for BSN to take another state board exam to get more pay?

CindieRN, my rationale for getting a BSN is to work in another capacity.:idea: Don't BSN's come out of school

at entry level, and obtain the same license as an ADN? Don't BSN prepared nurses and ADN licenses both say the same thing? Professional Nurse I thought it read.

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Specializes in Med-Surg.
Scooter, what is your rationale for BSN to take another state board exam to get more pay?

Some people think that if people take the exact same board, get the exact same RN license, then they deserve the exact same entry-level pay. They think that if they BSNs are going to get more money based solelly on their education coming out of school, then a separate board exam reflective of their extra education should be given to justify the higher pay.

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Specializes in oncology, surgical stepdown, ACLS & OCN.
Some people think that if people take the exact same board, get the exact same RN license, then they deserve the exact same entry-level pay. They think that if they BSNs are going to get more money based solelly on their education coming out of school, then a separate board exam reflective of their extra education should be given to justify the higher pay.

Ditto!! Thank-you!!!

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