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  1. SoontoBNP

    Discrepancies between job and contract? I was lied to!

    Oh yes, that makes sense. I definitely don't expect to only work 8 hours a day at any job. In clinicals I had to stay late at times, but never for 2-4 hours on a daily basis. My main issue was the other nurses are only scheduled 3x per week, and that is considered full time work because the hours are 10-12 each day. They assigned me the same job 4x a week, promised I was only scheduled for 8 hours a day, knowing I would have to work closer to 12 hours daily, and lied to me, telling me they were going to change the conditions that would reflect the correct amount of hours and never did. We get our assignments upon report and have to finish consulting, making changes, coordinating care, and charting for the same number of patients before we can leave. It's not like an outpatient job where we have set appointments. Basically they made it impossible for me to be able to work in the amount of hours they claimed.
  2. SoontoBNP

    Worthless degree

    My school didn't allow preceptors without several years experience as a nurse practitioner. I also had nightmares about Stahl's Essential Pharmacology book because I was made to read so many pages repeatedly it became embedded into my brain. Then again, I've heard a lot of for profit schools are now trying to start online based programs and are having difficulty finding preceptors- considering it is unpaid. It's scary to think someone without much experience could be training a student. That's part of the reason I decided against an online program. I'm sure there are reputable online programs out there, but I felt more comfortable attending in person. In my experience, some boards of nursing are only accepting degrees from schools that meet certain criteria. I know that's accurate in Maryland.
  3. SoontoBNP

    Discrepancies between job and contract? I was lied to!

    Thank you both for taking the time to read about my situation and respond! Contract was very minimal- it states 8 hours of work per day four times weekly and the salary. It just states nurse practitioner duties on the unit, no actual description of duties. Everything else was discussed verbally or via email. I feel like a complete idiot for signing the contract- I've learned a valuable lesson. I was very naive to think I wouldn't be bait and switched. From what I've read online, if there isn't an exact amount or explanation for termination fees, they don't really have an ability to sue me unless there were sign-on bonuses or something along those lines. I am hoping the lawyer confirms this.
  4. I was able to take the boards (ANCC) after finishing my final courses, but before I had my final degree conferred. I didn't want to wait too long, so I studied for about a month after my final exam. I went ahead and submitted my application for the ANCC (signed by my program director) before I graduated, because it takes them at least 3 weeks to just review the application. Even though my graduation date was in August, it took them quite a few weeks to actually process and submit the final degree for our school. I was told that is the usual process for graduate schools, it will say the graduation date, but be prepared to wait a few weeks past that to get the documentation. After my final degree and ANCC was final, it took approximately 2 weeks to get my nursing license, then it took 1.5 weeks to get my state CDS, and just 2 days to get my DEA license. To finish everything it took approximately 2 months from the date my classes ended. My fees were about 1600-I paid 200 for study materials (get the pink ANA book, it's awesome!), 400 for the exam, DEA is 750, CDS was 200, and then the board of nursing fees.
  5. I am speaking to a lawyer soon, but wanted to see if anyone had similar experience and had any advice. I went to an interview for an inpatient new grad NP position that offered great pay and benefits through an agency. I was told it was for four 8 hour days (32 hours a week) and no on call. I signed a very simple contract before graduating that stated I needed to give a 90 day notice if I wanted to leave. It stated four 8 hour days only, 32 hours total weekly, my salary, and a start date of last month. It said if I break the contract I may be responsible for damages, but no specific amount is listed. My employment was held up for a month due to credentialing. As a new grad I was promised to have a mentor available for guidance. I was very specific about needing this to start work. After signing the contract, I had to pester multiple people to get just 3 orientation days, and after getting 3 days of only shadowing, I was told the position does involve on call (36 hours a week). I was also told there is no way out of this. Also was told by 2 different NP's that this job is not an 8 hour job. They work an average of 10-12 hours per day 3x a week. They both had several years experience and said they didn't understand how the job could be advertised as 8 hours when they were not changing any duties for me whatsoever. The amount of patients and daily duties will be exactly the same as other NP's who are working 10 hour days. I am just coming in an additional day every week. The next bombshell was finding out that I am expected to work all holidays including ones that are NOT on my normal working days, in addition to my normal days per week (working 6 days on a holiday week), and I am being offered 5x less of a bonus to work holidays such as Christmas than the current employees, including one other new graduate employed with the exact same agency. Um, excuse me, no. In addition, I am working alone on weekends and would have no one there to provide guidance after the first weekend of work!!! As a new grad, this is the most alarming issue. My mentoring physician is difficult to reach and there is no scheduled mentoring time whatsoever. I emailed my agency asking for help with this, and the person who I signed the contract with basically told me it's out of his hands and I need to talk to the medical director. He refused to put anything additional in writing. I am no longer interested in starting this position. I am being stonewalled by the employment agency, and not getting responses I need from the hospital, they basically are telling me to "prioritize" and "Changes are coming". They are calling me directly and not responding to emails so I have nothing in writing. I have scheduled the next available appointment with a lawyer, but it's not until next week. They are pushing me to start working ASAP, before I can consult with a lawyer. Any advice? Feeling extremely naive, beating myself up for believing something that seemed too good to be true, and as someone who has put up with crap jobs before- I am not going to start off like this as a new graduate. No way. What is the smartest way to get out of this nightmare?
  6. I recently graduated and got my state NP license! Yay! Now someone please help me figure out which license I should apply to first? The MD CDS application says "DEA license can be pending", (which would imply you have already applied!) but on the DEA website it says "State controlled substance license MAY be required or application will be denied and application fee is NON-REFUNDABLE". The state license is 120, and the DEA is 731. That's a lot of money for a starving new grad to throw around to figure it out. I tried calling both and got looped around a lot and did not get an answer. Any advice?
  7. SoontoBNP

    Shenandoah University Nurse Practitioner Program?

    The first semester was awful. It was one of the hardest semesters of my life (Thanks to the patho class, which was difficult but not impossible), and that is from someone who got her BSN full time while working full time. I ended up quitting my job entirely because I could not handle 30 hours a week and full time graduate school. However, after that learning curve, I think the program really supports you. I ended up working again part time (20-25 hours per week) for the rest of the program and continuing full time. There are some ridiculous semesters as far as clinical hours (240 hours in one semester! What!), but it's doable if you have flexibility with work. I recently graduated and passed my certification exam! For me, going to in-person school was really important. I simply do better being able to listen and participate with lectures. A lot of the professors are very supportive, but you may have to advocate for yourself now and then because things can get hectic. It is not an easy program, by any means. I studied harder than I ever thought I would, but I learned a ton. I feel capable to work as a psychiatric NP. Overall, I would chose Shenandoah again.
  8. SoontoBNP

    I'm quitting today! Finally had enough!

    Thank you everyone for the comments! At least I know I am not alone in feeling this is unfair. I tried to give my notice today, my boss avoided me the entire day. I finally found her in her office and told her I was so sorry, but I had to give notice, she said "I need to think about this" and refused to take the letter. I ended up turning in my letter of resignation to our very tiny HR department and emailing her a copy. When I went to HR, they told me, "Oh yes, she does this with every nurse. One nurse tried to give her notice for two weeks before she gave up and handed it to us. Don't worry, you'll get your vacation pay" Wow. Unbelievable.
  9. Well… I need to vent… I started my job as a delegating RN two years ago. My patients are physically/mentally disabled adults and children. When I started my position, it was a pretty straight forward job- triage, assessments, and supervising/training medication techs. I really enjoyed it! Since I started, the non-profit I work for has expanded A LOT. We ended up increasing nursing caseloads considerably, mine the most. I took on a lot of administrative and management duties that weren't in my original job description, simply because they needed to be done. I like to stay busy, and since I got stuff done, management kept putting more stuff on my plate. 6 months into my current job, I was told I was getting promoted due to all the additional duties they were asking me to do. I was so excited! I finally thought I had found the job for me. It never happened, no matter how many times I inquired about my promotion I was continually told it was in progress.” I was told I would get a review and raise annually, but I never got a single review in over 2 years. I was working for very low pay, and they continued to dump patients and duties on me. I finally had enough. I told my boss I couldn't take anymore. I was working overtime every week (unpaid, I'm salaried), and something needed to change. Every time I complained, I was told I need to prioritize better” and delegate more work to other nurses who are also overwhelmed and struggling. We joked about striking but there's only 6 nurses in my company- We're not exactly traditional bedside nurses. This spring I got into nurse practitioner school! I start this fall, and I can't wait. I told my boss in June I needed to discuss how my schedule would change, I was continually blown off. Finally push comes to shove and now I was told they could not make my job more flexible, and that I would have to suck it up and work full time 4 days a week while attending school full time. I asked about hiring another part time nurse to take on some of the stuff I do. I was told there wasn't enough money in the budget for this. I told my boss no, and gave my one month notice. AN ENTIRE MONTH. My boss told me that this was unfair, that I was going to cause distress to my coworkers, to my already vulnerable patients, because there was no way they would find a nurse and train them to do what I do for such little pay in that amount of time. Apparently, this is my fault. I should have complained more. My boss then asked me to reconsider while she Thinks about what she can do for me”. The same boss that told me my promotion was in the works for 1 year and 6 months. Why do administrators (In general) think it's acceptable to overwork nurses? Is it our fault because we take this abuse? What has anyone else done when faced with similar problems? How did it work out for you?
  10. SoontoBNP

    What is the dress code for nurses?

    Today I am wearing jeans and a t-shirt, sandals. VERY casual. Sometimes clothes get spit on, stained, torn. My clients all have severe psychiatric needs as well. I would NEVER wear heels. Did that once, had to run across a street to another building for an emergency. Never again.
  11. SoontoBNP

    Shenandoah University

    I'm so glad you said that mnaranja! I am starting grad school (NP program) this fall and I can't wait! What MSN program are you in? How do you like it so far?
  12. Hello Everyone, I am starting Shenandoah's NP program this Fall and I am wondering if anyone else on here is as well? I am in the psychiatric program, and I can't wait to get started. I looked for other students of SU could only find undergrad topics. Did anyone go to SU for NP school? What was your experience like? Any advice or tips?
  13. SoontoBNP

    A Valuable Lesson

    Hello, I am so glad I saw this post! I've been working as a RN delegating nurse-case manager for over a year now for a DDA agency and I love it! When I saw the job offer I knew I had to apply. At the time I had another offer from a home health company that was 15k more per year, and I turned it down. I am so glad I did. The biggest reward is the ability to develop long term relationships with my clients and their families. My little sister has severe developmental disabilities, and I think that's why I have such a strong interest in this field. My company takes on a lot of clients who are very difficult behavioral cases that other agencies wouldn't. I currently manage the psychiatric care for all of them, through about 7 different psychiatrists, and it can be difficult. I've been hurt at work, but it's extremely rare. I think the most difficult part is communicating with parents who have unrealistic expectations, or believe their child will outgrow autism/disabilities with treatment. I really love my job, and one day I hope to help with research into autism treatment as a psychiatric nurse practitioner. I guess that it is a hope of mine, that I can continue working with clients with disabilities until I retire! Learning how to triage non-verbal clients with only objective data has been a challenge. There is also a lot of agency/regulatory/administrative duties that are time consuming. I have found that most of the people who work long-term in this area love their job and the clients, because it does get exhausting. There have been days where I came home crying because a physician and I couldn't figure out what was wrong with a client, but can tell they are in physical pain. There have been times I've scolded doctors on the phone for not assessing a client or giving them sub-par care because of their inability to speak for themselves (if you work in this field, you know, it happens). I guess what makes me love the job, even though there are so many challenges, is the ability to advocate for the client and made a difference. Sometimes as a case management nurse I am advocating for the patient to the family, to management, or to the doctor. In the end, I try to keep their needs in mind and I know I make a difference. I love disabilities nursing! As far as abuse goes, it does happen, but it's not as common as people think. Since I've been working in a very LARGE agency I've only seen a few cases of suspected abuse and the suspect was the family, or another client, not staff. Then again my agency has cameras in every living space of our group homes. There are sick people everywhere though, which is why we have to be so careful to monitor for signs of that closely.
  14. SoontoBNP

    new RN:bullied +depressed=time to quit.

    In my experience, there are bullies in all fields. It's terrible when you are new to a stressful field and need guidance and get negativity back. I wish I could give you better advice, but I'm new to nursing too. I had a similar experience but it was outpatient. My first job after graduating. It was a busy office, but super easy job. I worked there for a few weeks and everything seemed great. However, there were a few bad eggs in the office. One day a nurse who not only bullied the staff but patients set her sights on me. She started watching everything I did, claiming I had no idea what I was doing. She loudly announced in front of patients that I was taking vitals all wrong (seriously? How did I graduate without knowing how to take vitals?), She started quizzing me on medications and even though I did give her the correct answers, she accused me of making mistakes. She was extremely condescending. I wasn't collecting lab specimens right, I was taking too long at the nurses station, I wasn't doing strep checks right because she didn't hear anyone "chocking". She watched me document information in the computer and announced to everyone I was documenting incorrectly. I was actually documenting the correct way, but there are two separate ways to get to the same documentation location in the program. It was taking everything in my power not to turn around and scream "What is your problem!?" Instead of stooping to her level, I asked her to talk to me with our supervisor. We spoke with my supervisor, I explained the situation and she vehemently denied any wrongdoing, even though she had been breathing down my neck all day. She claimed that I was making errors right and left, that I needed to be "retrained". I calmly informed by supervisor that this was not true. The bully unprofessionally started in on a tirade that she used to work in an abortion clinic and has 20 years experience. My supervisor actually apologized to this woman and asked to talk to me alone. Then she told me, because I was new, I should just take her feedback with a smile.This wasn't feedback- the woman was harassing me. After that some of the other office staff started acting cold towards me. It progressively got worse. I tried, I really tried to make up for "tattling" on the bully. I brought in coffee and snacks, I offered to help others out when they seemed busy and I had a spare minute, but it was obvious I had been singled out. I would walk into the break room and everyone would leave. I didn't know what to do. A few days later I came to work as scheduled and was locked out of the office. The front desk girls ignored me when I knocked. I was let in by my supervisor ten minutes later and told that my job was terminated without an explanation. I asked if I had done anything wrong, and she said no. I asked if I could resign instead, she said yes. Then a week later they sent me an email saying they could no longer accept my resignation. I'm so frustrated because I feel like I'll never find another job. How do I explain this to a potential employer? If I could do it over again, I would try to make the best of the situation and grow a thicker skin. I wouldn't react to my bully. Sometimes people do it to get a reaction. People retaliate when you report their actions to higher ups. It's ugly and a reality of life. It seems like in nursing there is this attitude that nurses should shut up, not rock the boat. I wish it wasn't like that, but in my experience, it is. I hope some other hospital based nurses give you some useful advice.
  15. SoontoBNP

    As I complete my last week of nursing school..

    You took the words right out of my mouth! Enjoy this moment, you've worked so hard for it! There are some days I miss it nursing school, but I'm glad I don't have to do it over again!