mermer_rn

Unfortunately the federal law is that they only have to disclose my employment and the details of my employment if federally mandated such as for tax audit, etc. There are no actual laws stipulating that they must verify this information to anyone else, it is a courtesy, but not a legal responsibility...and they have proven they have no civility. They don't want to see nurses happy, they would rather try to make them feel stuck. I will out them when I am finally out myself! LOL. They are a large hospital system in the area, but are not national and are only located in the state I am currently in. Lesson learned, I feel hospitals with nation wide facilities have better continuity when it comes to policies.

Yes, they definitely deserve an award. I have been around the block with hospitals and this caught me by surprise. I have had managers who would only verify employment or forward a standard form, but to have the entire hospital system to include HR be uncooperative....shame! They have many military spouses and military affiliates who work for them, it's almost inevitable that they will eventually leave....and apparently without any references or even employment verification.

exactly! They are professionals in walking that thin line of following "federal mandates" while simultaneously demonstrating poor etiquette. They take advantage of other's generosity and then are themselves stingy! Yes, HR has also been uncooperative, citing their "policy"

I am taking a federal position....I guess this just how they have always and currently do things. The woman working on my file said she has been verifying references, etc for 15 years and has never dealt with such bad behavior from a hospital. I submitted my paperwork from when I accepted the position I'm leaving and that will suffice, but I felt it made me out to be a bad employee or something.

Yes, this information is my understanding as well, although I have known several supervisors and managers who have left with plenty of references so it is not being strictly followed. I did give them HR contact, who also refused to validate. I was able to use coworkers as references and found my paperwork that I signed when I took the job. I am taking a federal job and the woman working on my file said she has been doing this for 15 years and has never encountered this type of bad behavior from a hospital. They are hemorrhaging nurses, and I guess this is their idea of a tourniquet to try to control things....though a rather ineffective one, as it makes me no eager to stay than I was when I started applying for other jobs.

So I asked about interpreting new managers behavior on this forum a few months ago (if any of you may remember ?) and took the hint and went PRN while I explored other jobs. I am in the process of applying for a job I'm really excited about, and went the route of honesty and informed my manager and director, as well as told them I planned to stay on in my current PRN position to help out when I'm able. Well fast forward, I was informed that that the job I was applying for was unable to verify my current employment....couldn't get an answer or call back from manager and couldn't get anywhere with HR and did I need to fill out a permission or release of some kind? I reached out to my manager and director and was told not only would they absolutely not be giving me a reference, but they also would not verify my employment, history, qualifications, etc because it is "a policy we have, we are not allowed to give a reference or verification for a job outside of our facilities". I have been a good employee....I haven't made close friends or hung out with many people outside of work, but I never call in, have never been reprimanded or written up and have actually been nominated many times for daisy awards and such. I feel really personally targeted and now I feel extremely upset as I don't know how to verify my employment and don't understand why they won't. I looked into it and it is considered a courtesy not a legal obligation, but I can't help but feel it makes me look bad. I'm worried I now won't get the job. Has anyone experienced this? Seen someone who has....been on the manager side of things like this? I'm at a loss and honestly really hurt. I have given 3 years of excellent care, 1 year involuntarily on a COVID unit, to this hospital and I feel like I'm just tossed in gutter. ?

Yeah, we have not gotten raises in the 2 years I have worked here. It wouldn't be a big deal to be asked to pick up holidays and to decline because of lack of holiday pay, bit to be told that I am GOING to be working holidays with no holiday pay really rubs me wrong. I'm currently applying to other jobs, but I am just so nervous to start over and I'm scared of finding something worse. ?

Checking the laws was the first I did when that email went out....no luck. The state I live in does not have many laws protecting employees ☹️ Yes, supposedly they "almost had to close the doors" and that is why they went for profit...but they did it so quickly that I have to wonder if they had been planning it before the pandemic. They also slid in last second before going for profit and claimed a lot of federal aid, which I have no idea where that went; there was talk of pandemic pay/bonuses and that never happened. ?‍♀️ Id like to think we could run her off, but our strongest, most thick skinned, been at this hospital the longest, been there done that, not her first rodeo with a new director nurse already tried and she was fired. ?

I think so...I think my gut is telling me this since I squirm in her presence and if I've learned anything from nursing it's to trust that gut feeling even if you can't put a name to it. My personality is the rat (my lucky year and the year of the nurse were 2020 how sadistic ?)...and maybe it's telling me to run because there is a snake ?

I wish. They shut that down quick and even have an entire policy about Unionization that includes that you may be reprimanded and even dismissed for talking about, recruiting or organizing a union during "company time" aka when you're clocked it. Supposedly you can do it on your own time and they have no problem with it...but it is a fire at will state, so you'd be putting a target on your back and you'll likely be fired for somethig else after they watch you extremely close and write up numerous things. I've seen it happen.

I live in a fire at will, do pretty much whatever you want to your employees state and unless you work for a federal employer you do not have to be paid holiday pay or shift diff or anything else ? When I went OPT the requirement was 2 shifts per month no more than 36 hours per week unless approved by your director. We had a director that basically disappeared during the pandemic...like we legit thought she just left because we just never saw or heard anything from her, but she was apparently still our director. We were lucky enough to have a good supervisor who would work with us in order to keep things running and retain nurses (who has now left and we do not have a new one) and they have now slipped this "all employee schedules are at the discretion of the unit director" phrase into the employee types policy.

That makes sense, no she is not a team player, at least not on our team! I just have a difficult time understanding that...but I think I need to stop wondering what her motivations are and just take it for what it is: the writing on the wall ?

I think you are correct. I always try to stick it out, analyze and find a way to work peacefully with everyone....but hind sight of many of those times: I should've left right away.