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Difficult Doctors: Tips for Students and New Nurses
I'm not a new RN, but new every 13 weeks, and dealing with EXTREMELY condescending and rude docs and a PA on this contract. I just CANNOT believe what these nurses put up with! Multiple times in only 7 shifts, I have been the recipient of eye rolls, horrid condescension, outright dismissal when presenting legit concerns (NO, this patient cannot go home, he can't walk, or even crawl, he's still in active withdrawal!) And (I've asked 4 times now for a DNR order for this pt who has a clear advanced directive...Nope.) Admin is aware of the problem, and apparently this team has been "spoken to" by HR multiple times about their (collective and individual) behavior. It's unreal how quickly, with the doc I've worked with most, (again, only 7 shifts) the attitude has shifted. I've looked him straight in the eye on multiple occasions, and said something to the effect of, "I'm not sure what you meant by that comment, but I'm telling you from my experience that X is what's going to happen if we do Y without Q. I don't really care, since neither one of us will be here when he (pulls out the NG, has a seizure, has to be exposed to more radiation d/t another CT...) but in the interest of his (health/comfort, whatever) can you just hear me and do what I'm asking?" He has started to actually come to me and (not ask for advice, that would be too much...) hint subtly that suggestions would be considered. He actually commented the other day that I was to be commended for "using my own judgement" and not feeling the need to "bother him" by "getting confirmation" on a patient concern. Um, thanks, jackass, but I don't need your approval to educate my patient. That said, it really was validating, and the charge and two other nurses heard him, and were like, "How the hell did you do that??!! Actually get him to talk to you like a person, instead of a peon??" Honestly, I know my ***. And I'm not afraid to tell you what I know, and what I DON'T know. Now, if I could only get the PA to stop thinking she is God's gift to Neurosurgery... ETA: Maybe mine's not the most helpful post for a new nurse...more of a rant, but I will say, confirm your feelings/suspicions with a more experienced nurse, Unit Director, even House Supervisor. If warranted, stand your ground! Docs, NPs and PAs will dismiss your concerns if you are emotional or seem unsure of yourself. Once you have confirmed that your concerns and recommendations are legit, be calm, firm and direct. Don't let anyone dismiss you.
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looking for my first contract
The 2 years of experience thing is to PROTECT YOU, not to make getting a job easier. Nurses who say to get more experience are trying to HELP you. We've seen so many 1 year first time travelers leave in tears day 2. Or get cancelled 1500 miles from home - with no savings or backup plan. ANYONE can get a travel job with a shady agency after 1 year. But hey, you do you.
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Should I say NO to refilling meds for med nurses?
Wait, don't LTC nurses have like, 30 patients at a time? And only 8 hrs to deal with all of them? IDK, I don't work in a LTC facility, but I can't imagine they have much time to breathe, let alone call in refills...is there a reason that they can't let you, as charge, know when they are running low, and have YOU do it? Seems more appropriate for someone not in patient care to be making frequent phone calls to pharmacy and MD offices than to have headless chickens who are already swamped with meds, wound care, dealing with family members, charting.... It's like us hospital nurses with our sacred whiteboards...if management had soooo much time to chat with the patient, inspect the room, notice that my whiteboard was from last night...freaking change it yourself! You obviously "have the time!"
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Should I have accessed her port?
If the pt wanted the port accessed because she has horrible veins, and didn't want to be stuck 50 times for blood draws, yeah, that makes sense. But because the PCA works better in the port?? Oh, hell no. Your ability to get high from the narcs we are giving you for PAIN is not a higher priority than infection prevention. If you were that hard of a stick, they wouldn't have been able to throw in that peripheral. Sorry, you're getting your meds through the line that was placed. It is, obviously, already there.
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Fainting Nursing Student
I almost fainted and vomited when I saw a circumcision. I had no idea how barbaric it would be. Not to judge anyone else's "sensibilities" or experience, but I think anyone who doesn't react negatively to that, at least a little, at least the first couple times might be a bit "off." That said, I don't have a problem with most other surgical procedures, except for bone marrow or punch skin biopsies. OMG, I absolutely refuse to be in the room, they make me lightheaded. Everyone has their things they can't stand. Like mucus, or invasive eye surgery. Or broken teeth. Ugh, I have to stop. See what I mean? But watching a dressing change with muscle, bone, tendon exposed is no big deal for me, same with caring for a patient who has no skull, and exposed brain after a crani, or going to cadaver lab and practicing bone drills or excision on dead bodies. No big deal. Again, everyone has their things they simply cannot do.
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looking for my first contract
You wrote that you only have one year of experience. That may be part of the problem. Regardless of what agencies tell you, it's not enough. Get another year, at LEAST. You will be glad you did when you don't end up in court.
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Big hospital vs small community hospital: Which one is easier work-wise for a new grad?
Easy and travel are not usually terms that go together...but I think I get what you are asking. Assuming that you know that you need AT LEAST 2 years of experience (preferably more) before you take a travel contract... Smaller hospitals are usually easier. People tend to be nicer, you have less of a chance of getting floated to some crazy specialty unit where you have no idea what they are talking about or expect - example, I was floated to a 40 bed seizure unit my first day off orientation (1 day of orientation on trauma, mind you,) in a 1600 bed hospital. EVERY SINGLE patient was actively seizing, and I was expected (because I was a traveler) to know how to deal with that. Know the protocol, order sets, procedures, etc, with ZERO orientation to the unit. Welcome to travel nursing! That's one of a hundred examples I could give. In a small (400 or less) bed hospital) you would be more likely to float to less specialized units (like tele, med surg, PCU, ED hold, OBS, cardiac...) but you still have to know what to do in each of those units. I was pulled in a small (360 bed) hospital my first day off orientation (my first travel assignment) to be charge on a cardiac critical care unit (huh? I had no real cardiac experience - I'm a neuro nurse!) and within 2 hrs of shift change, a fresh heart arrested and we were doing CPR on the floor. The ACTUAL floor. Like the thing you walk on. I had to run the code b/c I was the most experienced nurse on the unit...I had no freaking clue what I was doing! The docs were asking me what the next drug in ACLS protocol was! This is what can happen when you are a traveler. You are expected to know EVERYTHING, be able to handle ANYTHING, at ANY time. Please don't take a travel contract until you really feel confident. When you do, get another year. I kind of wish I'd taken my own advice. So, to summarize, anywhere you go as a traveler, you are expected to be an expert in everything.
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Charting and learning
If you were my little sister or my best friend, I would tell you to start applying for hospital jobs. It may not be what you want to do long term, but at least you will get an orientation, experience and something to put on a resume. Hand out in the hospital for a year. If you stick with corrections as a new grad, particularly with no real training, you will pigeonhole yourself, and it will be difficult to find work in an acute care (or many other) settings if you choose to do so in the future. Better to open doors than to close them...just my 2 cents.
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Cared for MRSA patient without PPE
Every time you go to the grocery store and pick up an apple, orange or pear, someone before you with MRSA, VRSA, VRE and C-diff touched that same fruit without washing their hands. Same thing every time you drive a rental car, touch a doorknob, walk on carpet, check into a hotel or enter a car dealership. Every single place you go, everything you touch has these bacteria on ANYTHING another person has touched. Is that gross to think about? Yep. Can you get away from it? Nope. Where do you think all of the "infected" people go when they are discharged? To the same gas station, Costco and Wendy's you do, every single day. Wash your hands before you touch your face. You'll be fine.
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withholding medications ethical dilemma
OP, you are playing with fire. You overstepped by looking into this patient's history and meds and you'll be lucky if it it isn't flagged and caught by IT as a privacy violation. If not, you dodged a major bullet. I was a PCT/sitter and student for a loonnng time while in school. The is so much more to this situation that you are not privy to, nor should you be. You are NOT the nurse. You just don't know what you don't know about assessment, addiction, withdrawal. Keep your head down, your ears open, you may learn something. And stay out of patient charts, lest you get DNRd from another facility. Huge mistake. Hope you've learned from this.
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Report or not when administrators have favorites
Wow. A few years ago, working in neuro critical care, I got a call about a true family emergency - not going into details, but it was horrendous, to the point that I was sobbing on the phone, begging my family member to "just hold on, I'll be there as soon as I can, please, it will be ok, I'm coming RIGHT NOW!" The charge heard me in the break room, said, "just go. NOW, your [family member] is more important than this. Go." I threw my papers at her, yelled, "everyone is a full code, thank you, I'm so, so sorry!" and ran out the door. I didn't give report. She had full access to the computer, notes, what meds my patients had and hadn't received, diagnoses, etc. Should I have been reported to the BON for abandoning my patients?? I hadn't called off in over 6 years, never left early, never came in late. Ever. Sometimes family comes first. I hope that when, inevitably, you have a true emergency, your co-workers extend the same professionalism, understanding, compassion and competence that mine did to me. Good luck finding that support if you choose to "report" a fellow nurse in crisis.
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Waste of time/money to earn extra certifications?
Certification and certificate are two very different things, and most nurses don't understand the difference. Certificates (like ACLS, TNCC, ASLS, PALS) can be taken by anyone, and SHOULD be, if you work in areas that benefit from that knowledge. Certification is a different animal. These are things like SCRN, CCRN, PCCN. They indicate that you are an EXPERT in your field, and require study, experience and an exam similar to NCLEX, but specific to that area of expertise. Your friend may be as confused about the difference as most other nurses are.
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Split-Shift Floating
I hate when they do this to me. It sucks. That said, it's part of traveling, most places, to float first, often (though not everywhere) for 4 hour increments. As far as central staffing is concerned, we are often not real people, only "Traveler Apples," and "Traveler Oranges," to be plugged in to any open space q4. Though my current facility has a written policy to NOT automatically float travel first...guess what? I have done 4 hours in CCU, 4 hrs in IMCU, four hours in med surg...and NO ONE else on the unit floats. They just refuse. The charge calls them and says, "Hey, they're going to float someone...do you want to call off, and we'll float a traveler?" Yep. That said, I'm making 50$/hr to staff's 27, so...I take deep breaths and suck it up. I am LITERALLY on the schedule listed in a separate section under per diems as "Travel Oranges"...good luck!
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Have you been told you can't
I was told today that RNs can't put in IVs or draw blood at this facility. My response? "Yea!" Two fewer tasks for me to do!!
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CCAC Nursing Spring 2019
Hey, MurseSmith, Just telling you now, cause if you try and post on any other forum, you are going to get slaughtered for your name - it is not only illegal (per state and federal law) but against TOS on this site to refer to yourself as a nurse before you've passed your NCLEX. I went to CCAC, (years ago) which is why I still check these forums, and I don't want you to get the bashing I've seen others go through. My advice? Change your username now, before it becomes an issue. You're not a "murse" you're a "murse hopeful" or something - BTW, many men (and women) take great offense at the "murse" moniker..."male nurse" is not PC, we are all nurses...again, just trying to save you some grief. To any of you CCAC hopefuls, please take heed, and remove "nurse," "RN" or anything else nurse related from your username. You'll get banned. And you'll totally get WHY once you pass NCLEX.